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Feel like a b!tch but I’ve had enough! AIBU?

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Dromerdary · 17/01/2023 14:12

The older I get, the more I just feel used by people. I purposefully keep my circle small for this reason.

A few years ago, I started a relationship with a long standing friend who had been there a lot for me. He had some issues and past trauma which appeared to affect his whole life, mainly his self esteem, and therefore his ability to earn. He practically moved in with me but maintained his own place, a room in a house owned by an older lady, somewhere he could have his kids on the weekends.

I never asked him for anything but accepted his offer to do DIY around the house as his ‘contribution’. Except he wouldn’t get round to it or would insist I be there to help rather defeating the point. There were other issues around his personal hygiene and how messy he was. I also started to feel frustrated that he would ask me to help him get his life on track but wouldn’t do anything to help himself. My DC started to resent him being there all the time.

I found it really difficult to break up because I was so worried about him coping on his own, but I found the courage to end things. Since then, he’s made excuses to visit - all of his stuff is here and he still has a key so sometimes he’ll come unannounced and then won’t leave for hours. My DC get cross with me when he’s here but he seems so upset and forlorn that it’s hard to tell him to go.

His landlady told him a while ago that he’d need to leave in a few months time because she had a relative moving in with her. They had a similar arrangement that he’d get reduced rent in exchange for DIY jobs that he clearly wasn’t doing because she told him he’d either have to start doing the jobs or she’d increase his rent. He hasn’t reacted well to this and is now sleeping in his car instead of staying there or either finding somewhere else to live or asking his siblings to help who both live locally. He hasn’t even told them we’ve broken up because he doesn’t want them to ask questions.

He messaged to ask if he could come over to use the shower so I agreed but of course he didn’t leave because he doesn’t want to go home. He was then asking if I could help him with his CV even though I already did that last year and I’m busy with other stuff. He kept bothering me so I was kind of being blunt and ignoring him. Then he asked if he could sleep in my bed for an hour so I snapped and told him I get it in the neck from my DC whenever he’s here. So he left, obviously upset and I feel bad because he’s probably going to sit in his car in sub zero temperatures for the next week instead of just sucking it up and staying at his landlady’s house until he finds somewhere else. He’s acting like he’s the only one to experience undesirable living conditions but I stayed for months with an abusive ex until we could get to safety. He has health issues that will be exacerbated by living in his car.

I normally go out of my way to help people but I’m just at the end of my tolerance because he has wasted this opportunity to get himself in a better position. I have offered him help with a job application and gently pushed him to ask his family for support. I’ve lost so much respect for him because he has a victim complex. I feel for him that he’s been dealt a difficult hand but he does nothing to improve his situation and is instead looking to me to make things ok for him. I’ve not had things easy either but have always just got on with it. I’ve also been lucky in some respects and I suspect he resents this as I hear the way he talks about other friends who have been helped by family.

I really hoped we could stay friends but I’m starting to feel like he’s emotionally manipulating me and is over reliant on my support. We set up a community group together and he’s adamant he wants to still run it together and feels it’s ‘half his’ despite me doing 90% of the emotional labour and planning.

Thanks for letting me vent. I feel like IBU to be so blunt but I don’t know how else to get him to stand on his own two feet. AIBU?

OP posts:
KettrickenSmiled · 18/01/2023 11:10

Dromerdary · 18/01/2023 11:00

I am considering therapy for myself as well. I recognise that I have issues stemming from abuse. This last year or so in particular, I’ve learnt a lot about trauma, developmental trauma, the patriarchy and socialisation of women and girls and how this affects my behaviour and beliefs. I know I’m still a doormat following years of conditioning, but I am waking up to it and finding my voice and my will for things to be different for my own girls.

Flowers

Well done you. That's a steep learning curve. post-abuse.
You are not alone, & you will recover & be even stronger.

You sound very ready for this book, I hope you buy it for yourself as a present -
www.amazon.co.uk/Woman-Your-Own-Right-Assertiveness/dp/0704334208

Vallmo47 · 18/01/2023 11:13

You’ve been very kind to this man OP but now it’s time for you to focus on your kids and yourself first and foremost. I could go into personal examples of why I think this is important and that some people will only learn to stand on their own two feet once they are thrown into the deep end, but I won’t. You have mentioned to him that reaching out to family would be a good idea- if you knew where these people live this is where I’d leave his things. I would also, with a heavy heart, change the locks. This relationship is over and you need to prioritise your children over him. Deep down he’d likely do the same if roles were reversed.
I know cutting him loose will play on your mind but you have done what you can and now he needs to go down that last distance alone.

billy1966 · 18/01/2023 11:18

Why are you blaming your children for not wanting this user in their home?

Try forgetting about him and yourself and this friendship for one moment and imagine how stressful this must be for your daughters to be repeatedly having to get upset with their mother who has this user using THEIR home as a doss house.

You have put your daughters in an awful position when they have told you repeatedly that they don't want him using their home.

What message have you been repeatedly sending them.

Their is nothing kind about your behaviour.

You are putting you and his needs ahead of what your daughters have asked you to do repeatedly.

AlmostSummer21 · 18/01/2023 11:39

@Godlovesall26

from the beginning of this thread I have been very uncomfortable with the attitude of posters towards people who have MH issues. PTSD varies a lot, so it matters not, that one person claiming to have PTSD & their life sorted means everyone with PTSD is able to sort themselves out.

the comment that 'it's not all about you' was just nasty. But unsurprising from that poster, try not to take it personally.

@Dromerdary I agree that you need to get a few things sorted with him, but I understand how you feel. He isn't your responsibility, but he is your friend of longstanding & you don't want to tell him to fuck off out of your life. & even while he's driving you mad, you care about him.

Have you ever been to his place with the landlady?

What is it about him being there that the girls don't like? Specifically? Are they in any way concerned about his behaviour around them? Is he over familiar with them? Does he just let himself in when they are home alone?

I understand why it's not easy to just tell him to take his stuff & fuck off, never to darken your doorstep again!!

However, you DO really need to think about what YOU want & make a plan how to achieve that.

As for the Community Group. if he won't leave it to you, could you not just set up another one & inform the group that you'll be running one under x name, with xyz contact details and leave him to it with the original one? Tell them that they're ok to be members of both or either one.

if you get grants, can you just apply under your new group?

that's IF YOU still want to run it, if you don't, just leave the group.

Riverlee · 18/01/2023 11:39

“I know I’m still a doormat following years of conditioning, but I am waking up to it and finding my voice and my will for things to be different for my own girls.”

OP - well done for recognising your problems, working through them, and making plans to make changes for the good and for your dc. Wishing you all the best for this.

KettrickenSmiled · 18/01/2023 12:05

What is it about him being there that the girls don't like? Specifically? Are they in any way concerned about his behaviour around them? Is he over familiar with them? Does he just let himself in when they are home alone?

The last thing OP's girls need is an interrogation about WHY they dislike this user imposing in their home. Girls & young women need to see other women modelling "your discomfort is valid & your NO is acceptable." They should not have to be put further on the spot by having explicit reasons dragged out of them, as if their obvious discomfort alone isn't good enough to be heard.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 18/01/2023 12:16

I agree Ketricken. Women don't need a reason to justify not being happy with something. Their feelings are enough on their own.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 18/01/2023 12:27

that one person claiming to have PTSD & their life sorted means everyone with PTSD is able to sort themselves out

I don't think anyone has claimed that every single person with PTSD is capable of sorting themselves out.

But someone who has definitely not sorted themselves out, and isn't even really trying to do so, is not relationship material.

That doesnt necessarily mean that they are a bad person, but they would make a terrible partner. And yes, I would advise my friends and relatives to steer clear of partnering with someone like that.

Women are taught from birth to be nice, be kind, care for lost souls etc., but in many cases it comes at the expense of their own happiness and fulfilment. Women should be encouraged to put their own oxygen mask on first. The OP didn't create his problems, and she can't cure them.

OP - I think it's fantastic that you are recognising this, and wish you good luck with it.

GerbilsForever24 · 18/01/2023 12:45

He has survivor guilt and doesn’t think he is worthy of help despite me trying to convince him otherwise, he doesn’t believe it himself.

This is an interesting sentence. Because a lot of people on this thread could probably have written, about you: "she is deeply empathetic towards him and genuinely believes that without her he will die, even though we have tried to convince her that he is using her."

OP, I'm not unsympathetic. I think men like this get into situations like this with women like you because it's not as cut and dried as saying, "he's a bad person who is purposefully and consciously trying to manipulate and use you". Because he's not. But that doesn't change what is happening - he is manipulating and using you and causing you significant distress as a result.

Accepting that he may struggle but that it is not on you to fix these problems is important for you. My 11 year old has all kinds of things he struggles with and I am teaching him to manage them for himself. I do that because I am his mother and because he is young. This man is not your child and he is not young.

Dromerdary · 18/01/2023 12:47

Thank you for the words of encouragement. I guess this is a lifelong process of undoing all the damage.

@KettrickenSmiled thank you for the book recommendation- I have ordered a copy on EBay.

@AlmostSummer21 you have summed up exactly how I feel about the situation so thank you. One of my DDs is PDA ASC so can be very forthright about her opinions (she doesn’t think he’s good enough for me) and is hyper sensitive to perceived criticism. He is very jovial and jokey but doesn’t seem to realise when he’s gone too far which didn’t help. But ultimately, I think the main issue is that he took up a lot of my time and they just want me to themselves which is fair enough.

The community group is area specific and other people are stepping forward to take more of an organisational role this year so that should help. He has put a lot of effort in but just not into the organisational stuff.

OP posts:
GerbilsForever24 · 18/01/2023 14:08

But ultimately, I think the main issue is that he took up a lot of my time and they just want me to themselves which is fair enough.

I'm sorry OP I don't want to beat you when you're down but you're STILL blaming your DDs. Please stop. If he took up too much of your time, it would be up to you to get a limit on that that works for you and him AND your DDs. You make it sound like while you understand their feelings and accept them, they're being a bit precious.

As for the "jokey and doesn't know when he's gone to far" - that just gave me the ICK. Eery young girl or woman has experienced that whether it's blatantly sexual or just overall uncomfortable. The more you talk about him the more awful he sounds.

TheGander · 18/01/2023 18:04

My great grandmother foisted a homeless Russian on her family back in the 30s. He used to corner my grandmother and her sisters and fondle them when out of view. My grandmother never forgave her great grandmother.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 18/01/2023 18:04

There's another reason why people expect one person to 'keep it secret, it would be terrible to bother my sister/brother/parent/whatever'.

Because they know the other side - the one where the 'older landlady' has been his partner for five years, where they've been used as an alibi for him visiting you and he doesn't even have a separate bedroom, much less needed to sleep in a car in the middle of winter where it'll be nigh on murder not to take him in and let him in your bed.

Keep the two threads separate and there's no chance of the lies all crashing on him.

mallardducks · 18/01/2023 18:41

Is he a child? He totally sounds like one

GlassBunion · 19/01/2023 18:49

He really is playing on your heart strings, isn't he?
Why are you allowing this man to be part of your life when you clearly resent his presence now?
Even your children resent his presence. Why are you placing his needs above your children's?

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