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Feel like a b!tch but I’ve had enough! AIBU?

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Dromerdary · 17/01/2023 14:12

The older I get, the more I just feel used by people. I purposefully keep my circle small for this reason.

A few years ago, I started a relationship with a long standing friend who had been there a lot for me. He had some issues and past trauma which appeared to affect his whole life, mainly his self esteem, and therefore his ability to earn. He practically moved in with me but maintained his own place, a room in a house owned by an older lady, somewhere he could have his kids on the weekends.

I never asked him for anything but accepted his offer to do DIY around the house as his ‘contribution’. Except he wouldn’t get round to it or would insist I be there to help rather defeating the point. There were other issues around his personal hygiene and how messy he was. I also started to feel frustrated that he would ask me to help him get his life on track but wouldn’t do anything to help himself. My DC started to resent him being there all the time.

I found it really difficult to break up because I was so worried about him coping on his own, but I found the courage to end things. Since then, he’s made excuses to visit - all of his stuff is here and he still has a key so sometimes he’ll come unannounced and then won’t leave for hours. My DC get cross with me when he’s here but he seems so upset and forlorn that it’s hard to tell him to go.

His landlady told him a while ago that he’d need to leave in a few months time because she had a relative moving in with her. They had a similar arrangement that he’d get reduced rent in exchange for DIY jobs that he clearly wasn’t doing because she told him he’d either have to start doing the jobs or she’d increase his rent. He hasn’t reacted well to this and is now sleeping in his car instead of staying there or either finding somewhere else to live or asking his siblings to help who both live locally. He hasn’t even told them we’ve broken up because he doesn’t want them to ask questions.

He messaged to ask if he could come over to use the shower so I agreed but of course he didn’t leave because he doesn’t want to go home. He was then asking if I could help him with his CV even though I already did that last year and I’m busy with other stuff. He kept bothering me so I was kind of being blunt and ignoring him. Then he asked if he could sleep in my bed for an hour so I snapped and told him I get it in the neck from my DC whenever he’s here. So he left, obviously upset and I feel bad because he’s probably going to sit in his car in sub zero temperatures for the next week instead of just sucking it up and staying at his landlady’s house until he finds somewhere else. He’s acting like he’s the only one to experience undesirable living conditions but I stayed for months with an abusive ex until we could get to safety. He has health issues that will be exacerbated by living in his car.

I normally go out of my way to help people but I’m just at the end of my tolerance because he has wasted this opportunity to get himself in a better position. I have offered him help with a job application and gently pushed him to ask his family for support. I’ve lost so much respect for him because he has a victim complex. I feel for him that he’s been dealt a difficult hand but he does nothing to improve his situation and is instead looking to me to make things ok for him. I’ve not had things easy either but have always just got on with it. I’ve also been lucky in some respects and I suspect he resents this as I hear the way he talks about other friends who have been helped by family.

I really hoped we could stay friends but I’m starting to feel like he’s emotionally manipulating me and is over reliant on my support. We set up a community group together and he’s adamant he wants to still run it together and feels it’s ‘half his’ despite me doing 90% of the emotional labour and planning.

Thanks for letting me vent. I feel like IBU to be so blunt but I don’t know how else to get him to stand on his own two feet. AIBU?

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Dromerdary · 17/01/2023 16:47

Just to add, he’s not addicted to anything and was single for 10 years before me. I was only his second relationship. He’s lived in various places before and spent a period after his last relationship ended, sleeping in his car.

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Naunet · 17/01/2023 16:48

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🙄 you’ve read three posts, calm down. You have nowhere near enough information to make such a nasty character assassination.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 16:50

The most kick ass straight talking person I know adores him.

And yet they've had the sense not to invite this insecurely housed man to move in with them. I wonder why?

Wellwell82 · 17/01/2023 16:51

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Neveryoureye77 · 17/01/2023 16:51

Reading your update op it does sound harder than just changing the locks but you know you have to prioritise your teen dc. That doesn’t mean you are not allowed any adult relationships though but ones which don’t take advantage of your kindness.

It’s interesting that he did so well during lockdown. There are neurodiverse people out there who need support to live well. But if his siblings live nearby then I don’t t understand why this is your responsibility.

Has he ever been diagnosed? That would be a first step to getting help. If he could go through an assessment, he might qualify for financial help or help with getting a job.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 16:52

I suppose I got with him because I felt like I owed him a relationship because he was so kind and lovely and I knew that’s what he wanted

Boundaries!

Without them, you basically have a target on your back for users!

HaggisBurger · 17/01/2023 16:53

Dromerdary · 17/01/2023 16:47

Just to add, he’s not addicted to anything and was single for 10 years before me. I was only his second relationship. He’s lived in various places before and spent a period after his last relationship ended, sleeping in his car.

I’m not sure if that was prompted by my mentioning 12 step. In case it was: Coda helps people whose codependency is negatively affecting their lives and those of their loved ones. There can be overlaps with codependents being addicts or being in relationship with an addict - but it’s not about addiction per se.

This is a definition - but there are many:

What Is A Codependent Relationship?

Codependency is a term for a behavior-based condition where one person in a relationship assists another person’s addiction, lack of responsibility* or destructive behavior. Codependent people often rely on others for approval and the safety of their sense of identity. The definition of codependent behavior may vary depending on the situation or patterns of unhealthy behavior.

In a codependent relationship, one person is normally the caregiver, while the other person takes advantage of their efforts. Usually, there is a power imbalance in these types of partnerships. In many cases, one or both partners rely on each other to a fault, and it’s hard for them to function independently without the other.

Delphinium20 · 17/01/2023 16:54

It's no one's fault but his own if he sleeps in his car. He HAS a home w/ his landlady. Frankly, you're not helping him, your enabling him. Your DC deserve peace and security away from him. He's an awful role model and I wouldn't want my kids anywhere near someone like that. Please just end it with a firm, "I'm done. I can no longer help you. Please stop contacting me."

itswednesdayy · 17/01/2023 16:55

You’re overthinking this. If he asks to use your shower, say no. Put your children first

Dromerdary · 17/01/2023 16:56

Looks like I spoke too soon! My DCs both really liked him to begin with, they and lots of other people around me, including kick ass friend and family wanted us to get together. We were best friends before and everyone assumed we were secretly together anyway. It’s only been the last few months that they’ve grown to be resentful of his always being there.

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Delphinium20 · 17/01/2023 16:56

Please don't let him shower in your home anymore. Your poor DDs don't need to share that kind of space with a man, especially being tween/teen age. They probably feel really grossed out.

itswednesdayy · 17/01/2023 16:57

It’s because they’ve seen the real him now and can’t stand him, the facade is over for them.

lennylion · 17/01/2023 16:58

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This is the bit I can't really empathise with. I do understand being a people pleaser, but shouldn't the first people you want to please be the daughters who you know are not happy with the situation?

Dromerdary · 17/01/2023 16:59

@HaggisBurger, no, I was responding to posts upthread. I appreciate the link to CODA. I already knew I was codependent (and him too - we talked about it) but didn’t realise there was a 12 step programme. I’m definitely going to do that so thank you.

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Delphinium20 · 17/01/2023 16:59

We had a foster teen boy for a short time in our home. A friend of my DD. He was kind, gentle and polite, but we realized shortly that it wasn't fair at all to my DDs to live with a boy they'd not grown up with...sharing that kind of intimate space isn't okay for teen girls. We found him a better place and he's thriving. My point is, we made a mistake letting him stay here...we should have found him a proper place from the beginning. It wasn't fair to my children.

Purplelemons123 · 17/01/2023 17:00

Honestly things like this drive me nuts because I have been there and dealt with people like this, and regret not having seen it clearly then.
Somehow they can never quite get a job, know how to apply for housing, find any private housing, even though they are if normal intelligence, have been shown how to many times, and everyone somehow manages. They make themselves a victim and if you try to establish boundaries they have a synod making you feel cruel and unreasonable.

It is all emotional manipulation.

If you don't put your foot down right now, he will be assuming he can move in with you when his lodgings end. It is actually kinder to tell him now, so he knows that moving in with you is not an option and he has time to find somewhere else.

He is choosing to sleep in his car, that's his choice. He is doing it to make you and his landlady feel bad and like it is your faults - it is not! It is pure emotional manipulation.

If he genuinely felt awkward to sleep at his landlady's, he wouldn't even tell you he was sleeping in his car, he would feel embarrassed about it.

He is a grown man, he is pushing your buttons to bring out your maternal instincts but you have children, and he is not your child.

Change the locks - it's easy to do. It is not OK that someone not from your household is letting himself into your house, or could let himself into your house when you have children there.

You don't need to tell him you are doing it, just change them.

Box up his stuff and tell him he has two weeks to collect it. He has a car he can take it in so that's great.

Good luck

Ladybug14 · 17/01/2023 17:01

As they are now resentful , put them first and get rid of him and his belongings

Purplelemons123 · 17/01/2023 17:03

Sorry fat thumbs. My first paragraph should have read:

Somehow they can never quite get a job, or know how to apply for housing, or find any private housing, even though they are of normal intelligence, have been shown how to do it many times, and even though everyone else somehow manages. They make themselves a victim and if you try to establish boundaries they have a way of making you feel cruel and unreasonable.

Neveryoureye77 · 17/01/2023 17:03

In the Mumsnet black and white world, all the people who have some neurodiversity or mh problems such as depression or a personality disorder, they can all self motivate and work on themselves and after a little while, everything is fine again.

The truth is this is bollocks. People with mh problems aren’t always compliant or motivated.

It is absolutely not the op’s role to help this man any longer as she has dc and has to prioritise their needs and her own needs, but I applaud her kindness for being compassionate and having tried.

Do posters who get a superiority boost from attacking the op really think that will help boost her self esteem and boundary setting skills?

HaggisBurger · 17/01/2023 17:03

Dromerdary · 17/01/2023 16:59

@HaggisBurger, no, I was responding to posts upthread. I appreciate the link to CODA. I already knew I was codependent (and him too - we talked about it) but didn’t realise there was a 12 step programme. I’m definitely going to do that so thank you.

Good luck OP!

I really hope you can help yourself. Read through your posts and highlight each time you mention someone else’s opinion of him / you. It’s loads.

I say this as a recovering codependent & rescuer! It’s hard I get it.

Also - your daughters may have told you they were happy to begin with - but bear in mind they probably will have been telling you what you want to hear. And they are daughters of a codependent

Whammyyammy · 17/01/2023 17:07

Box up his stuff, and set a date for him to collect..
Change the locks.
Tell him clearly and firmly this has to stop/set the boundaries you want.

oakleaffy · 17/01/2023 17:10

LaFemmeDamnee · 17/01/2023 14:16

Box up his shit and change the locks. He's taken the piss for far too long.

Yes - He’s a freeloader.
change locks.

9outof10cats · 17/01/2023 17:14

If this is in response to my post about 'recovery' - it was not made in reference to addiction, but the trauma you said he has experienced.

MsMarch · 17/01/2023 17:14

What @Purplelemons123 said. what's sort of frightening is that if I didn't know this was impossible, I'd think that you are referring to the ex of a friend of mine. Down to the "he's kind and talented" and "can't seem to get business" and "doesn't really care about money."

It's all completely bollocks - as a man who made a living out of being a musician for a long time, DH will tell you that talent is just one tiny part of it. Hard work, luck, relentlessness, having the RIGHT talent at the RIGHT time, other soft skills etc are all essential in almost every case.

"Kind" - it's not ind to keep imposing on someone you claim to love. Its not kind to make noises about sleeping in your car when you don't have to just to make someone else feel guilty.

It's not "not caring about money" when the reason you don't have to worry about money is because someone else is paying your bills, feeding you and generally ensuring that you are okay.

I'm actually quite sympathetic because I've watched my friend, who genuinely is a kind person, tie herself in knots because she feels bad and she wants what's best for her loser.

He might not be a bad person, but he IS treating you badly and in turn, you are suffering and so are your DDs.

Intrepidescape · 17/01/2023 17:15
  1. Pack his stuff up
  2. Drop it at his family members house
  3. Tell his family members exactly what has happened
  4. Block him on everything
  5. Change your locks
  6. Apologise to your kids
  7. Get therapy

Finally, how dare you do this to your children?! You need to acknowledge you’re broken from the previous abuse you endured and should not date anyone until you deal with your inability to protect your children from losers.

You said you don’t like it how your ex won’t take your advice? I bet you don’t take anyone’s advice here.