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Feel like a b!tch but I’ve had enough! AIBU?

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Dromerdary · 17/01/2023 14:12

The older I get, the more I just feel used by people. I purposefully keep my circle small for this reason.

A few years ago, I started a relationship with a long standing friend who had been there a lot for me. He had some issues and past trauma which appeared to affect his whole life, mainly his self esteem, and therefore his ability to earn. He practically moved in with me but maintained his own place, a room in a house owned by an older lady, somewhere he could have his kids on the weekends.

I never asked him for anything but accepted his offer to do DIY around the house as his ‘contribution’. Except he wouldn’t get round to it or would insist I be there to help rather defeating the point. There were other issues around his personal hygiene and how messy he was. I also started to feel frustrated that he would ask me to help him get his life on track but wouldn’t do anything to help himself. My DC started to resent him being there all the time.

I found it really difficult to break up because I was so worried about him coping on his own, but I found the courage to end things. Since then, he’s made excuses to visit - all of his stuff is here and he still has a key so sometimes he’ll come unannounced and then won’t leave for hours. My DC get cross with me when he’s here but he seems so upset and forlorn that it’s hard to tell him to go.

His landlady told him a while ago that he’d need to leave in a few months time because she had a relative moving in with her. They had a similar arrangement that he’d get reduced rent in exchange for DIY jobs that he clearly wasn’t doing because she told him he’d either have to start doing the jobs or she’d increase his rent. He hasn’t reacted well to this and is now sleeping in his car instead of staying there or either finding somewhere else to live or asking his siblings to help who both live locally. He hasn’t even told them we’ve broken up because he doesn’t want them to ask questions.

He messaged to ask if he could come over to use the shower so I agreed but of course he didn’t leave because he doesn’t want to go home. He was then asking if I could help him with his CV even though I already did that last year and I’m busy with other stuff. He kept bothering me so I was kind of being blunt and ignoring him. Then he asked if he could sleep in my bed for an hour so I snapped and told him I get it in the neck from my DC whenever he’s here. So he left, obviously upset and I feel bad because he’s probably going to sit in his car in sub zero temperatures for the next week instead of just sucking it up and staying at his landlady’s house until he finds somewhere else. He’s acting like he’s the only one to experience undesirable living conditions but I stayed for months with an abusive ex until we could get to safety. He has health issues that will be exacerbated by living in his car.

I normally go out of my way to help people but I’m just at the end of my tolerance because he has wasted this opportunity to get himself in a better position. I have offered him help with a job application and gently pushed him to ask his family for support. I’ve lost so much respect for him because he has a victim complex. I feel for him that he’s been dealt a difficult hand but he does nothing to improve his situation and is instead looking to me to make things ok for him. I’ve not had things easy either but have always just got on with it. I’ve also been lucky in some respects and I suspect he resents this as I hear the way he talks about other friends who have been helped by family.

I really hoped we could stay friends but I’m starting to feel like he’s emotionally manipulating me and is over reliant on my support. We set up a community group together and he’s adamant he wants to still run it together and feels it’s ‘half his’ despite me doing 90% of the emotional labour and planning.

Thanks for letting me vent. I feel like IBU to be so blunt but I don’t know how else to get him to stand on his own two feet. AIBU?

OP posts:
VickyEadieofThigh · 17/01/2023 15:50

Butchyrestingface · 17/01/2023 15:47

THE LOCKSMITH IS YOUR FRIEND.

Yep.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 15:50

I think all the rest of us know why he does this.

He has spent the past "few years" (and how many years prior to that?) not having to work for a living, not having to work on himself, not having to pay rent or bills, not having to tidy up after himself. All he has to do is look sad and make vague promises of doing DIY, and women without boundaries will look after him.

And these women even convince themselves that they're the bad guy when they eventually get sick of his shit, so he can string it out a bit longer by laying on the guilt trips. Result!

I can see exactly why he does this.

Fladdermus · 17/01/2023 15:51

He's going to guilt you into taking him in when his landlady throws him out. You need to get him out of your hair now, before you reach that point.

Saintasaurus · 17/01/2023 15:52

After reading all these replies op, are you still feeling like a bitch?

Nothinglikethebest · 17/01/2023 15:56

Do you by any chance have a kick ass, tell it as it is kind of friend or family member failing that a big burly type who could be there when he next slimes his way in to give you support.
Once you’ve got your key back / lock changed and got rid of his stuff ( however you decide to do it) you will also need a plan to tackle the community group issue otherwise he’ll use that as a way to keep pestering you. Is there anyway you can bin him off from that since he doesn’t actually do anything, if not can you take a step back from it for a while, is there anyone else who can take the reins for a bit. If not you may have to plan for it closing for a while if you do, do not feel guilty, this is on him.

FictionalCharacter · 17/01/2023 15:57

Oh for heaven’s sake! Take his key. Box up his belongings. He either takes them to his own place until the LL kicks him out, or he puts them somewhere else.
Stop worrying about him sleeping in his car. If he does that it’s his CHOICE. He still has a home with his currently landlady right now.
And stop blaming your kids for you not wanting him round. You don’t want him to come round because you are no longer together, he doesn’t live there and he’s a PITA. Stop saying it’s because “you get it in the neck from the DC”.

MyNameisMathilda · 17/01/2023 15:57

So this guy has had a landlady that he had an arrangement with and you the same time ? He was coming and going between the two places? He doesn't have a job. He surely is a Prince. What does he bring to your table?

unfortunateevents · 17/01/2023 15:58

What kind of message is this sending to your children OP - that their needs are less important to you than those of someone you used to have a relationship with? That it's ok to allow your boundaries to be trampled all over?

Where was all this stuff before you allowed it to be moved into your house? He obviously had somewhere to store it previously, it can go back there.

Saintasaurus · 17/01/2023 15:59

MyNameisMathilda · 17/01/2023 15:57

So this guy has had a landlady that he had an arrangement with and you the same time ? He was coming and going between the two places? He doesn't have a job. He surely is a Prince. What does he bring to your table?

He is bringing his own table, it’s in op’s basement.

Francisca459 · 17/01/2023 16:01

You have tried to rescue this man but he has worn you out.
I will always take in any stray or injured animal, but not people. Not any more, Once you scrape them off the floor and help them out, they grow to expect and demand more and more from you. When they have bled you dry, they move on. You don't own him anything.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 16:02

I'm also confused as to how an adult man has been unable to get a job for YEARS in the current climate. I doubt he's even bothered applying tbh - he has an easy set up as it is.

WhereYouLeftIt · 17/01/2023 16:03

I'm just repeating what everyone else has already said.

Priority one - either get your key back, or change the lock. He doesn't sound as if he has the initiative to make a copy, so getting the key back should be enough. And be blunt when you tell him to give you your key - tell him he doesn't stay there any more. If he needs access to his stuff (and frankly, it doesn't sound the sort of stuff you need regular access to) then he can call and arrange a time when he can come over. And he only comes over to fetch something, he then leaves - no sitting around!

Priority two - your boundaries. You've twigged that people use you, but you still haven't worked out the why and the how of it. Boundaries. Yours are very weak, you are manipulable by people like him because you don't want to feel you are being a bitch. I don't know who installed that idea in your head, that if you prioritise yourself over someone else then you're a bad person (spoiler - you're not a bad person). Could have been your parents, an ex, school, church, wider family, general socialisation. It could be very ingrained. It's common, and many women only overcome this people-pleasing once they have children, and then they prioritise their children over other people and start prioritising themselves as part of it (I hope that makes sense, it's a bit woolly). Even in your OP, your impetus to get him gone is coming from your children not wanting him there. You are able to prioritise them over him, now you need to prioritise yourself over him. You need to work out why you think prioritising yourself makes you a bitch (it doesn't) and work on getting rid of that feeling.

Priority three - again, be blunt. Tell him that sleeping in his car when he still has a room to go to is a nonsense, and that you will not be manipulated by this nonsense into letting him into your home. The home that he no longer lives in. He has a room to live in. You also refuse to be manipulated by him pretending he needs access to the things you are storing for him in your cellar, when actually he doesn't need access to them at all, he just wants to be in your home. No more manipulation.

And then I'm afraid you just have to let him get on with his life. If he's determined to wallow, there's really nothing you can do about it and he isn't your responsibility. And you're absolutely NOT a bitch to step back from him.

JoanCandy · 17/01/2023 16:03

Oh, man ... I could've written this post word for word, OP. It's my ex-husband to a tee.

Please, please get RID of this hobosexual !!! You owe him jack shit and you feel rotten because you are a good person who would never treat anyone as manipulatively as this cocklodger is treating you.

My ex had all of the depression, low self esteem etc etc but it's as you've said, we all have our crosses to bear and the majority just get their heads down and get on with it.

His 'business' equipment (really ?!!) that is stored in your cellar is not your problem. Don't even go to the bother and expense of changing the locks, wait until he's nodded off in yours and your DC's warm and comfy home and just get the damn keys off his keyring !

I promise you with all my heart that he will NEVER sort himself out and you will NEVER get to the bottom of why.

I bet you justify your kind actions by saying 'Oh, but he's not a bad person and I do feel for him.' Well, he's encroaching on all of your lives now and you are getting nothing from this arrangement.

All the best, OP ... but get him gone and don't look back.

WhereYouLeftIt · 17/01/2023 16:06

Oh I forgot. You are being VERY kind to let him store his stuff in your cellar, but it might be worth pointing out to him that if he continues to try to manipulate you then you will insist that he removes all his belongings and puts them into storage. That costs money, so a bit of an incentive for him to not piss you up by turning up on your doorstep asking to use your shower etc.

WhereYouLeftIt · 17/01/2023 16:07

Piss you OFF. <sigh, my typing ...>

KettrickenSmiled · 17/01/2023 16:07

I feel like IBU to be so blunt but I don’t know how else to get him to stand on his own two feet

YANBU & frankly you could have been a hell of a lot more blunt & still YANBU.

You need to listen to your DC & toughen up.
It is NOT YOUR JOB to get him back on his own two feet.
Only he can do that, & it seems the longer he has been enabled, the more he's put that off. In fact he became so entitled that he didn't even keep up his end of the bargain with DIY for either you or his landlady.

If he spends the next week sleeping in his car instead of at his landlady's, that's his choice & not for you to worry about. Surely you can see that it's an entirely performative act? He's manipulating you by even telling you about it, & it's ridiculous & unnecessary. You need to drop the rope & let him make his own decisions, for good or ill.

I suspect he hasn't quite hit rock bottom yet, because he's refusing to even see a GP to get help for his depression. His excuse about not going is almost as ridiculous as his choice to sleep in his car for a week & all the time you were there to suck up his lack of drive & his mental health issues, he didn't need to. Now you have seen the light & removed yourself as enabler/co-dependent - maybe this will be the impetus he needs to finally get help & start taking care of himself.

In short - you can no longer do it for him, & he won't get help until there's nobody left to take care of adulting for him. Beware of getting sucked back in with pity-me stories & transparent attempts to move back in by stealth under cover of randomly being allowed to come by "for his things". If that starts happening, make sure he can only turn up by appointment - do NOT allow a situation where he feels he can call round at whim. His entitlement to your shower & request to sleep in your bed "for an hour" are the worrying signs of a committed cocklodger. Stay strong OP - he is NOT your problem. Or your childrens' problem either.
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amonsteronthehill · 17/01/2023 16:08

Get him out of your life for your and your children's sake. It's not fair they have to put up with this in their own home.

YouTarzan · 17/01/2023 16:10

I can’t believe you are putting this guy before your children!!!

mathanxiety · 17/01/2023 16:10

Box up his stuff.
Leave it at the place he currently rents a room.
Change your locks.

Pull up your big girl panties. You can do this.

Whatatimetobealivetoday · 17/01/2023 16:12

I can’t believe this unhinged man has a key to your home where your DC live. Absolutely shocking.

mathanxiety · 17/01/2023 16:15

His furniture and business equipment are 'not a problem' you say.

His furniture and business equipment are 'not your problem'.. See what I did there?

Even if you need to hire a van to get his stuff out of your children's home, then do that. Bring it to his current legal address. Dump it there.

Get help with your need to be needed and your willingness to take your children along for the ride.

BenCoopersSupportWren · 17/01/2023 16:15

Oh OP, you're not being as blunt as you need to be!

Don't "ask" him to move his stuff "when he's settled". Tell him you need it out by X date (X being a few days max, long enough to sort out a van but no longer) or you'll contact BHF to collect it. And stick to it!

BeachesDiary · 17/01/2023 16:17

A useful phrase I learnt on mumsnet - women are not rehabilitation centres for dysfunctional men! For heaven's sake OP wake up.

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