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Feel like a b!tch but I’ve had enough! AIBU?

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Dromerdary · 17/01/2023 14:12

The older I get, the more I just feel used by people. I purposefully keep my circle small for this reason.

A few years ago, I started a relationship with a long standing friend who had been there a lot for me. He had some issues and past trauma which appeared to affect his whole life, mainly his self esteem, and therefore his ability to earn. He practically moved in with me but maintained his own place, a room in a house owned by an older lady, somewhere he could have his kids on the weekends.

I never asked him for anything but accepted his offer to do DIY around the house as his ‘contribution’. Except he wouldn’t get round to it or would insist I be there to help rather defeating the point. There were other issues around his personal hygiene and how messy he was. I also started to feel frustrated that he would ask me to help him get his life on track but wouldn’t do anything to help himself. My DC started to resent him being there all the time.

I found it really difficult to break up because I was so worried about him coping on his own, but I found the courage to end things. Since then, he’s made excuses to visit - all of his stuff is here and he still has a key so sometimes he’ll come unannounced and then won’t leave for hours. My DC get cross with me when he’s here but he seems so upset and forlorn that it’s hard to tell him to go.

His landlady told him a while ago that he’d need to leave in a few months time because she had a relative moving in with her. They had a similar arrangement that he’d get reduced rent in exchange for DIY jobs that he clearly wasn’t doing because she told him he’d either have to start doing the jobs or she’d increase his rent. He hasn’t reacted well to this and is now sleeping in his car instead of staying there or either finding somewhere else to live or asking his siblings to help who both live locally. He hasn’t even told them we’ve broken up because he doesn’t want them to ask questions.

He messaged to ask if he could come over to use the shower so I agreed but of course he didn’t leave because he doesn’t want to go home. He was then asking if I could help him with his CV even though I already did that last year and I’m busy with other stuff. He kept bothering me so I was kind of being blunt and ignoring him. Then he asked if he could sleep in my bed for an hour so I snapped and told him I get it in the neck from my DC whenever he’s here. So he left, obviously upset and I feel bad because he’s probably going to sit in his car in sub zero temperatures for the next week instead of just sucking it up and staying at his landlady’s house until he finds somewhere else. He’s acting like he’s the only one to experience undesirable living conditions but I stayed for months with an abusive ex until we could get to safety. He has health issues that will be exacerbated by living in his car.

I normally go out of my way to help people but I’m just at the end of my tolerance because he has wasted this opportunity to get himself in a better position. I have offered him help with a job application and gently pushed him to ask his family for support. I’ve lost so much respect for him because he has a victim complex. I feel for him that he’s been dealt a difficult hand but he does nothing to improve his situation and is instead looking to me to make things ok for him. I’ve not had things easy either but have always just got on with it. I’ve also been lucky in some respects and I suspect he resents this as I hear the way he talks about other friends who have been helped by family.

I really hoped we could stay friends but I’m starting to feel like he’s emotionally manipulating me and is over reliant on my support. We set up a community group together and he’s adamant he wants to still run it together and feels it’s ‘half his’ despite me doing 90% of the emotional labour and planning.

Thanks for letting me vent. I feel like IBU to be so blunt but I don’t know how else to get him to stand on his own two feet. AIBU?

OP posts:
SnackyOnassis · 17/01/2023 15:30

Sorry OP, this sounds really rough but the change here has to come from you.
In the same way that you can't respect him for being so helpless, are you happy to have your children lose respect for you because they're seeing you facilitate someone who's taking advantage of you, and freeloading in their space?
If you can't put yourself first, put your children first, and that includes protecting their home environment from people they've openly told you they don't want around, and setting an example for them of how to set healthy boundaries.

Nothinglikethebest · 17/01/2023 15:30

I know you feel sorry for this man and I know that you are a nice person, cause that’s what he relies on, you being too nice to cut him completely off. So if you can’t do it for yourself please find the strength do do it for your children, because no matter what feelings you have left for him you love your children more. He has other options, you are just the easiest, they only have you to look out for them.
As PP’s have said the first thing is to get his key back and /or change the lock, at least that way you control who comes into your home and when, a bit of time away from him constantly tugging on your heartstrings will give you time to think. Then when you’re ready cut him off, it doesn’t matter if his stuff is not causing you a problem to store it, it just gives him an excuse to keep coming back. When I had a similar issue, I spent a little money and got a man in a van to collect all the stuff, take it to a storage place and paid for the first month storage fee, and told the guy where it was and left him to sort it out with the storage place. No idea what happened next as I blocked all contact after that. You’re going to have to be cruel to be kind (to your children)

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 15:32

The older I get, the more I just feel used by people.

OP - it is clear from your post that your ability to enforce boundaries is near non-existent. And your expectations of the people you allow into your life are incredibly low. This is linked to the fact that you repeated find yourself being used.

The fact is that most women would have spotted this chancer a mile off, and wouldn't have let him get close enough to use them. Your lack of boundaries is what enabled this man to use you. And I'm sure it's not the first time you've allowed a waste of space into your inner circle because you felt sorry for them, or they manipulated you.

I genuinely advise that you do some serious work on your own self esteem before getting into another relationship. Once you start enforcing boundaries, you will find that you are a much less attractive prospect for users and wasters.

JudgeRudy · 17/01/2023 15:32

For your own sanity and your relationship with your child you need to pass the buck on this one. I'd give it one last injection of time and effort and I'd spend that on supporting him to make a self referral to IAPTs or similar....then you're done and have a clear conscience. What you've offered so far hasn't helped, it's just taken from you. This is a classic example of a problem shared being a problem doubled.i can almost hear your daughter's frustration. Protect your family OP

LAMPS1 · 17/01/2023 15:32

He probably sleeps in his car in sub zero temperatures rather than sleeping in his own bed at his landlady’s house so that you feel he’s so desperate that you need to take him back in to save him.
You really don’t. It’s emotional manipulation. Don’t fall for it. You have ended the relationship. That decision is already made. It’s over. You have told him that presumably even though he doesn’t want it to be true. You must not enable him any more. Turn off from it and concentrate on your family. Take your keys from him or change the locks.

Maray1967 · 17/01/2023 15:33

MintChocCornetto · 17/01/2023 14:59

None of his situation is your problem OP.

It's his life to make a mess of. He might give you the sad panda eyes and hangdog expression but it's not your responsibility to find him a job or use your shower or provide a bed.

Stop letting him guilt you into being his mother. Change the locks, pack up his stuff.

I’ve read that some of his stuff is large but you don’t have a responsibility to keep it for him.
You had a deal - but he didn’t stick to his side of things - and he did the same to his LL. He’s had plenty of chances and blown them.
He doesn’t seem to want to put any effort in - just wants everything provided for him. Not good.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 15:34

JudgeRudy · 17/01/2023 15:32

For your own sanity and your relationship with your child you need to pass the buck on this one. I'd give it one last injection of time and effort and I'd spend that on supporting him to make a self referral to IAPTs or similar....then you're done and have a clear conscience. What you've offered so far hasn't helped, it's just taken from you. This is a classic example of a problem shared being a problem doubled.i can almost hear your daughter's frustration. Protect your family OP

The OP has already given him quite enough support to sort himself out.

"Just one last try" will turn into 2, 3, 4....

uncomfortablydumb53 · 17/01/2023 15:34

YANBU He needs to take responsibility for his own life choices
He has taken advantage of your kind nature and still is, even now you've " broken up"
You're not his Therapist or his life coach
Change the locks and don't give him a chance to manipulate you again

Justalittlebitduckling · 17/01/2023 15:36

He’s a taker and will take whatever he can. You need to toughen up and deal with the situation properly.

Glorianna · 17/01/2023 15:37

You need to set yourself free from this sad sack. He's like an albatross around your neck.

badgermushrooms · 17/01/2023 15:38

You've broken up. He is no longer your responsibility. Not only is it not your job to help him, it would actually do him no good long term to rely on his ex like this.

I understand the urge to keep helping, I really do. Is there any way you could contact one of his siblings with a brief message along the lines of "X and I have broken up so I can't help but wanted to let you know he is having some issues with his landlady and I think sleeping in his car" just so you've done a sort of handover? You shouldn't have to, but I think you would find it easier to let go of the responsibility if you weren't the only person who knows about his situation.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 17/01/2023 15:39

He's using the fact that the OP is the only one who knows as a guilt trip, so telling a sibling should help.

BearingFalseWitness · 17/01/2023 15:41

Remember OP, he wouldn’t have to sleep in a car if he had done what he promised to do when he moved in with TWO women with different arrangements. You don’t want to accept it, but he is creating this situation and it’s up to him to fix it. He knows you are a soft touch and that’s why he keeps coming back, other people have prevented him from taking advantage of them.

FeelingwearyFeeelingsmall · 17/01/2023 15:42

He is mugging you off repeatedly and you are allowing it. Remember the saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.' Learn from your past mistakes and don't allow him to use you.

You're not his nanny or his mum or his therapist. You owe him nothing.

Change the locks. Box his stuff up and leave it on the doorstep. Block his number.

If this goes on one day more you only have yourself to blame.

Crumpleton · 17/01/2023 15:43

Why does he need to find somewhere else to live in his mind he has somewhere,
despite you telling him you're not a couple any more he has a key to your home, his things are there, he comes and goes as he pleases or until you get to the end of your tether, chuck him out then let him back in again.

First off as said by PP change the lock, or at the very least TELL him you want your key back, take it off of him when he calls round next, there's a sign he's still welcome to come and go right there.
Give back his stuff as that's an excuse for him to keep calling in.

By the sounds of it he's one of those that plays on people's kindness, it's not your doing if he's sleeping in his car and won't sort himself out but TBF reading your post you are giving him mixed messages so you really do need to be strong and cut all ties.

Yorkshirelass123 · 17/01/2023 15:46

Agree with all other posts. Change the locks and get rid of his stuff and go no contact.

Please focus on prioritising your daughter, you are giving this man too much of your time, energy and headspace that should be on supporting and improving you and your daughters lives.

Think about the role model you would like to be for your daughter, you have poor boundaries and are too kind hearted and accommodating. I suggest you see how you might build your own self esteem and confidence.

Think about what you would want for your daughter and for her to do if she was in a similar situation?

Ladybug14 · 17/01/2023 15:46

OP - You say that you don't understand why he does this to himself

Well.... I don't understand why you're doing this to your children

You are putting him before your kids

Why?

Abitofalark · 17/01/2023 15:46

The lesson from this, I would say, is know yourself and why you would get involved in the first place with the person as described in your second paragraph. Were you feeling needy and vulnerable? How should you protect yourself and choose someone suitable and refuse to choose certain others and would you be better off on your own than falling into a relationship with someone hopeless, for comfort and partnership who will likely turn out to be a broken reed?

Some men just are inadequate; you have fallen into a trap, easy to do, and been a soft touch, as women often are, so now you are entangled and feel obliged because it is heartless to turn your back on someone in need. How about telling him that he is no help to you or himself, that your children are unhappy, you are finding it too much of a strain to deal with his needs and look after yourself and your children and he must now go to his family for assistance and showering and sleeping? I think you said he has family.

Butchyrestingface · 17/01/2023 15:47

THE LOCKSMITH IS YOUR FRIEND.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 17/01/2023 15:47

You need some Carol Bayer Sager in your life.

BadNomad · 17/01/2023 15:48

Why exactly did you choose to get involved with this jobless homeless man with serious mental health problems and trauma? Did you think you could "fix" him? And now that you realise you can't, you're angry at him for it.

Conkersinautumn · 17/01/2023 15:49

It sounds as though your letting your boundaries be trampled and it is negatively impacting your children. You need to pack up his stuff and move him on. Well worth stepping away from this community group as well, take some time to focus on your own family for a while.

Tripofalifetime343 · 17/01/2023 15:49

Op he doesn’t need to sleep in his car if his siblings live locally. But they will probably be less accommodating than you have been. Change your locks. Tell him he can come and collect his stuff in a few weeks time by arrangement with you. Any protest should be met with “ I did my best to help you but you didn’t help yourself”. and “my priority are my children, I am not raising anyone else”

Saintasaurus · 17/01/2023 15:50

And what sort of man moves in with an elderly lady, with a promise to do some diy, and doesn’t keep that promise.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 17/01/2023 15:50

Sorry. I hit post too soon.

Play You're Moving Out Today a few times.

Pack up your rubber duck
I'd like to wish you luck
....
You're Moving Out Today ay-ay