To think stating your pronouns is redundant?

[BridgertonLady]

I’m referring to email signatures. When for example you’re female with an obvious feminine name. It seems a bit performative in my opinion.

If however your name is Michelle and you state in your signature he/him then great thanks for letting me know so I can refer to you correctly without offensive as I would have just assumed she/her.

this is one thing I actually agree with partially anyway, I understand some people don’t want to be known as a gender. Personally I’m happy to be mrs, girly, feminine, she, her, that is me. But I get that not everyone is the same and some would prefer to be they/them. I’ve had the argument with my dad many times, he doesn’t get that a person can be they/them. But it’s normal language if you think about it and we use it all the time. If something happened to someone you would automatically use they / them… if you didn’t know the gender… eg a purse was stolen ‘they’ entered the room, my family member was so lovely last night ‘they’ brought flowers, the baby was so cute in the pram ‘they’ smiled for me… it’s actually normal language when we don’t know the gender… so why suppose with a he or a she ?

Oh please. this thread is full of name calling, that's not annoying you.

Whafs annoying you is I wont answer your question. I have told you twice I wont. Your lack of boundaries and bullying nature is not my issue.

At my very woke college, we were required to sate our pronouns anytime we met a new staff member/Visitor. One student got in trouble for refusing to do this. For what’s it’s worth I don’t agree with pronouns but went along with it, because I didn’t want to been seen as “problematic” with my highly woke peers.

You really are worryingly unhinged.

The point is, it doesn't really matter if a person don't want to be known as a gender (who does, really?) but they are still one sex or the other, either way. They either are male or female.

We're not supposing with a he or a she, we're just using he or she accurately when we know which it is. They/them is extremely clunky and feels very wrong when you do know the sex of a person. And what for? So people can pretend that being non binary is a thing? We're all binary in matters of sex and we're all non-binary when it comes to gender/self expression.

In my place of work more and more people are adding their pronouns to their email signature and I feel huge pressure to add mine. I am being made to feel anti trans by not doing it. I am not anti trans. I just don't think.people should be pressured to put pronouns in emails.

I don't know any trans people that I'm aware of, but do know two people who are currently unsure of their gender identity and it's horrible for them feeling pressured to state a gender as neither feel ready to put themselves as a different gender to their gender of birth on their emails (because people.dont know yet that these people are questioning their gender identity. They haven't told many people). Neither person particularly want to assert themselves as the gender they were born as either, as current.they don't feel.comfortable.with their birth gender. They'd much prefer people just carry on calling them by their name and if they refer to them as he or she as they have always done, fine, they don't care at the moment and when they are ready and if they are ready to officially declare they have changed gender, they will use a different name and at that point people will likely refer to them with different pronouns from.what they currently use.

My name is clearly female, so people should know what pronoun to use. If they call me 'he/him' incorrectly, I couldn't care less.

People all feel they have to follow the woke bandwagon. It's madness

I dunno, a cleaner at my work was called Marianne. Certainly taught me not to assume!

Honestly just roll my eyes whenever I see it and think they’re a try hard dickhead.

I still wouldn't do it.

Just say you don't feel ready yet to state them.

Wow! That’s taking #bekind [to random unknown person who might possibly feel benefit from your gesture] to a whole new level!

#bekind or else!

What about being kind to the poor student who would prefer not to enter into discussion on pronouns?

I’ve seen foreign students get really confused by this as well.

I could not give a shit if anyone asked me my pronouns
In fact no one ever had, I only ever come across it as a Big Thing on here! 😁

Is there a reason that three of you all dive in together to posts that werrnt addressed to you...

It's a public chat site, people write something and others respond, if they feel like it. That's the way these sorts of places work, in case you hadn't understood.

Thanks, no 4.

Well, if you don't want people to criticise, don't spout shite!

Again, thanks for proving my point.

I'm as entitled to an opinion as anyone else without 3/4 rude people jumping in. Theres really no need to be such a dick.

Yes, I agree that you are entitled to your opinion and equally, to share it here. Just don't get all precious, if someone disagrees and tells you. It's a talk site, for debate.

If you say something and lots of people disagree, there may well be a conclusion to draw.

Yes, that it's a ground of playground bullies who join forces when anyone with a vaguely different view joins the thread. Your faux naivety doesnt wash. Painting me as precious and people innocently disagreeing doesnt make a difference

Yes, that it's a ground of playground bullies who join forces when anyone with a vaguely different view joins the thread.

Vaguely different? You post something you know is contentious, then get all upset when people disagree.

@findmybalance

What is a trans identity and what is gender?

How does a person know if they have the wrong pronouns?

if someone uses the wrong pronouns how is that 'literal violence' and 'hate'?

Contentious, well that's debatable. but let's assume it is, youclaim it is a talk site? yes? So one should be able to talk without the attacks from PP? It's not about "being upset", believe me I'm not, it's about referring to people as what they are. You can guarantee if I'd have written some of the posts written by PP thered be uproar.

Now can we finish what is effectively derailing?

II don't know why you#re asking me that - I don't hold those views re pronouns

I am asking you that because I think it is important to understand why you are enjoying castigating women who have expressed an opinion that using preferred pronouns feels like compelled speech.

If you are not bothered about pronouns and if you don't hold views re. pronouns then I wonder why you are one of the most prolific poster on a thread about them.

Either you do have strong views about pronouns or you enjoy castigating women for their opinions on them.

I'm not castigatig anyone

I dont necessarily believe pronouns should be forced use , partly because it would force trans to come out if they dont want to.

I do however find the compelled/demanding argument arrogant and egotistical and missing the point

I do respect peoples rights to use pronouns though.

Does that help?