To think stating your pronouns is redundant?

[BridgertonLady]

I’m referring to email signatures. When for example you’re female with an obvious feminine name. It seems a bit performative in my opinion.

If however your name is Michelle and you state in your signature he/him then great thanks for letting me know so I can refer to you correctly without offensive as I would have just assumed she/her.

Ah but now people will cry “why should Mrs Sam Hughes be forced to tell you her marital status in order to tell you her gender?”

She can use “Ms”, people will say. Then others will come out with bizarre comments like “Ms means divorced”. Nothing is simple!

Instead of people wasting their breath with pronouns it’s honorifics we should be getting angry about. I really resent that there are numerous honorifics for women when there should be just one. No one knows a man’s status by being Mr, women should just have one honorific too. This is something I would be totally on board with.

I agree with you. The interesting thing is that their is already a female honorific which does not convey marital status. I had used it for most of my adult life without a second thought (with both my single and married surnames) and it was only on this forum that I learned that some people have randomly decided that it means “divorced” or is some sort of ultra-feminist political statement.

There is also the added complication that “Mrs” and “Miss” are also available as options, so if a woman wants to communicate her marital status via her title, she can. Quite a lot of women seem to want to do this.

I used to work with customers from all over the world often with names that didn’t indicate their sex to me.

Funnily enough it was never a problem as they didn’t operate the software with their genitals.

It was before ‘pronouns’ had been invented as a concept that you could dictate to others.

Same here. I don't care if I'm referred to as 'sir' or 'he'. It makes no fucking odds unless you are the kind of person who treats the sexes differently in which case you are an arsehole.

Equally my name is consistently misspelled or mispronounced. It doesn't bloody matter.

My dog is frequently misgendered too given her unisex name. She seems pretty ambivalent about too and will give you a wag and snuggle anyway.

What if I am Sam Hughes and I'm not married? Why do I need to indicate my martial status as a female. I'm just Sam Hughes.
It's hardly the solution.

My name is a bit unusual and on first glance gets mistaken for a male name eg Tim. Occasionally I’ll get emails to Tim. I have never cared so long as they’re answering my email why is my gender even relevant?

You don't have, and you know it. You just us Ms, like the rest of us.

How on earth did we all manage for hundreds of years without pronouns🤷‍♀️

Brilliant 😂😂😂😂😂

Not using a charity because you dont agree with its views on a topic is exactly that .

You can think less of people who are trans if you want, but theres a word for that.
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We didnt. you have them. We all do. We always have done.

People want to state them or use different ones and seemingly educated women lose their shit. Its pathetic.

I don't think you know what prejudiced means. The charity isn't entitled to my money. I can choose who to give to, and I can choose based on what they do and what they promote and what they say. For example, I give to charities that supply help to children in poverty, but I won't if the charity is run by a church or religion. This does not make me prejudiced.

As for your second point, you do realise how stupid you sound when you use that soundbite? If anyone says anything at all about what you decide are trans issues, you try to characterise that as "thinking less of trans people". It's idiotic and offesive and it simply doesn't work. So you should stop it.

Nobody is losing their shit, except maybe you.

If you don't understand any of the points made, just say so. We are educated women, and we can help you to understand, if you stop being so rude and defensive.

I'm afraid it does. Claiming you're not a bigot doesn't make you any less of one.

In regards to your second paragraph and your second post, I'm not interested in engaging. Your arrogance is breathtaking, both in your correcting of my language and nonsense about soundbites. I don't need to "stop" anything, btw, you're not my parent.

If you choose to think less of people who use pronouns, which includes trans people, that's fine, but own it and accept what you are. If you don't like people assuming that of you, then perhaps don't behave like it.

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Do you even read the rubbish you;re writing? I think less of people who use pronouns? We all use pronouns. Did you miss that?

Shouting bigot at everyone who says something you don't like (which I imagine is almost everyone) is very childish, but expected from a tragic TRA like yourself.

Get a dictionary. Look up prejudice (because you still don'tknow what it means), and maybe pronouns as well, since you seem to imagine only select people use them, so you clearly don't actually know what they are.

TRA's are just so embarrassing when you start with this waffle, it's painful to see you repeating the rhetoric you haven't even begun to understand.

Where I work, quite a few people choose to do this as a way to show general support for people who may be trans/ non binary/ questioning their gender identity, but no one is made to and that's the important thing.

The example given above about a trans person who is not 'out' feeling uncomfortable about stating their pronouns simply wouldn't be an issue, because they wouldn't have to.

If it's not compulsory then I really can't see a problem as everyone can just make their own choice about whether they want to do it or not.

So do I . I'm still here too, although .... I am feeling a tad rough today 😊

Well firstly, it wasnt you who said you thought less of people, it was another poster, and that's the point I was addressing when you chose to stick your nose in. Secondly, if YOU read carefully, youl see earlier that I said we all use them. Indeed in the post you quoted.

That whole post is embarrassing. To be honest its not often I call someone a bigot, because in the real world people dont behave like this because other people make a choice.

Thanks for the inspiration for my new username. Tragic tra. Love it.

Thanks Polly. Good to have your approval. :)

I really don't get the whole "showing solidarity" angle. Far far more people have mental health issues than are trans, there is a massive stigma around mental health and people often feel isolated because they don't know anyone else with similar issues, yet you don't see anyone stating we should list our mental health issues in our email signatures do you? Or our race, or disabilities either ...