To think stating your pronouns is redundant?

[BridgertonLady]

I’m referring to email signatures. When for example you’re female with an obvious feminine name. It seems a bit performative in my opinion.

If however your name is Michelle and you state in your signature he/him then great thanks for letting me know so I can refer to you correctly without offensive as I would have just assumed she/her.

I always think it sorts out the knobbers so you can try to avoid

Precisely.

Its attention seeking and ridiculous. I refuse to engage with that woke shite. It's all over my company. I stand firm. I have yet to be asked if I am female or male. Funny that.

Me too. My name is unisex and I’ve never had an issue with it. Either people are standing in front of me and can clearly see what I am, speaking on the phone so they can hear what I am or they’re communicating via email etc so it’s irrelevant what I am.

I get confused by this. If you’re trans, surely you’d bother to change your name to the the gender you wish to identify with? Rob would become Roberta - why stay as Rob? So that would leave the non binary brigade who call themselves Star or Astro or whatever. Not many of them around in my line of work and if they aren’t there they don’t know how others refer to them. 😉Any Stars or Astros are in Key Stage 3, in my experience.

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Absolute wankery

^^This. Especially when its "my name is Mary and I go by she/her pronouns". Why do you think I care or want to know? You just be you Mary, have at it.

If it's not about me then there is no need for me to participate.

You can call me what you like in my absence I really don't care but if you actually wanted my attention then using my correct name would help you.

It pisses me off so much that I cancelled a DD to a charity after a member of staff emailed me about something and included the pronouns you'd expect after a female name at the end of the email. I gave the money to a smaller local charity who don't have the time or money for pronoun bollocks.

And what if your name is Cheryl, Sonia, Amanda, Fiona, Annabel… any legion of very obviously female names?

I know 2 trans adults IRL.

person #1 is not out (F-M). Few people know. So pronouns are ridiculous in his situation. Everyone calls him “her” as he doesn’t want people to know.

person #2 is out, but doesn’t want to talk about it any more. (M-F). Just wants to get on with her life. Physically all surgery completed years ago and visually passes as F. She doesn’t state pronouns on her signature as she’s now got a female name and looks female. Obviously wants to be treated as female and is treated as female. Pronouns draw attention. She doesn’t want that.

I know a 14yo who states pronouns. (F-M). He is, in my opinion, a very confused teenage girl. Again, I’m not sure that pronouns are helping this person, who would be better served with getting on with GCSE courses and seeing how things are in a few years.

Some people use initial like poster mentioned earlier eg Dr F Smith.

Wow.
I'm not sure I'd want to give you my business anyway, or associate with you at all.

Well done on depriving a charity due to your own prejudice.

Your loss. The silent majority of thinking adults cringe at this teenage batshittery. Look at the dismay people have toward the NHS or the police when they engage with this ideology. Celebrating pronouns is not a credible or professional stance unless you’re courting the easily duped Lush demographic.

Yeah, whatever

If I see ‘she/her’ after an obviously female name I tend to assume they are male. Why would any woman need to reiterate that they are actually female?

Especially as studies showed that pointing out to colleagues that you are female can cause you to be treated worse at work.

It is also an indication that the person is keen to dictate how you speak about them when they are not present which sounds like they might be hard work imo. Like the thread here yesterday where the young chap got an official reprimand from a senior manager for innocently referring to a female colleague as ‘her’ (in a polite context of course) when she wanted to be referred to as ‘them’ - apparently a snitchy colleague reported him.

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In what way is the poster prejudiced? Same old nonsense retort when anyone disagrees with you. Boring

Pronouns are ridiculous and I’ll never use them on work emails. I also think less of those who do.

No you don't. You might have a male Michel which sounds like Michelle, but if its spelled Michelle, that's a woman. I'm also guessing you have a Laurence which is the feminine form of Laurent.
You have two eaisily gendered names, in their own language. Nothing to see here.

Laurence can be male in this country.
It's one of our family names and they're very much male!

No it isn't.

I don't know what "this country" refers to, but I was being specific to French names. In France. The pp was mistaken about the names and confused about their genders.

I totally agree with that, it helps less than it hinders.

And also, pronouns in signature should be used if you are concerned about being confused with another gender (like an ambiguous name) but to make a declaration of your gender… what’s the point?

I don’t need to be going around my life reminding the world and their dog that I am a woman, in fact, I don’t give a flying hoot about someone misgendering me due to my ambiguos name. In fact, statistically being assumed a make may have even been helpful for career progression, which is quite sad but true.

If it ever gets suggested at my work that i should state pronouns, i plan to say "I've not ready to", in a very closed way that makes clear I mustn't be pushed further on this.

I'm not ready to because its fucking stupid and jeopardises my ability to hide being an initial in an email signature working with people in regions where women are not respected.

Also why do you need to know if your accountant or commercial director or whatever is a man or woman?

The only jobs i can think of where its relevant are things like someone who does bra fittings or advises on women's health issues