To think stating your pronouns is redundant?

[BridgertonLady]

I’m referring to email signatures. When for example you’re female with an obvious feminine name. It seems a bit performative in my opinion.

If however your name is Michelle and you state in your signature he/him then great thanks for letting me know so I can refer to you correctly without offensive as I would have just assumed she/her.

It's ridiculous anyway, I struggle to remember people's names, there is no chance that I am going to remember their choice of pronoun.

Absolute wankery. I was looking for a psychiatrist last year for a work thing and any I came across with a pronoun I struck off my list. I mean some of the names were Anne or David etc - we know what you identify as for gods sake.

Not only redundant and performative but also wrong in so many ways - for women, and for trans people who may not be at the stage of publicly identifying themselves as such but feel railroaded into it by performative employers.

It's idiotic, and can be abusive when forcing people who might not be ready to come out to "come out".

It's not something I do, but I think the idea is that if more people put their pronouns, then the people who actually 'need' to tell people their pronoun (ie trans people) they might not feel so uncomfortable about it.

Where I work there's quite an international community, so I suppose it's helpful there too as everyone won't automatically know whether a name is male or female. I don't do it as I don't care whether people are male or female, but that's the logic.

@Pootles34 thats the thing about it that bothers me, that people feel the need to know if it is a man or woman they are talking to instead of just a colleague whose sex is of no concern to the job they are doing. I think the use of pronouns is actually regression.

I struggle with 'they' when referring to just one person.

I don't care whether someone is male or female at work and I'm not interested in how they identify, but I do know that this added information is there to let you know that you're dealing with someone who may be very tricky and touchy if you don't remember what they prefer. So in that sense, it's both useful and extremely annoying.

I've heard that argument. In fact, all that's happening is people who are not comfortable with it at all (for a wide range of reasons, one of which is not ready to declare) are being pressurised to do it.

A friend of mine says if she's ever asked, she's going to say "Twit/Twat/Twoo".

She will, too - I've known her for over 40 years.

If you want to be called he/him why would you still have the name Michelle? If you can't even be arsed to change it to Michael I'm definitely not going to collude in your daft pretence that you are a he/him!

Yes it's usually pointless

Useful if your name is Sam/Jordan/Vivian/insert other potentially unisex name I guess.

It's absolute twattery that I shall never be complying with in a million years.

If ever I'm in a situation where I am asked for my preferred pronouns, I shall answer with 'excuse me? Don't be so ridiculous!'

The world has gone mad. I am not going to be part of this.

If someone is transgender, great, wonderful I have no problem with that whatsoever. They can state their preferred pronouns, great stuff. But why should everyone have that forced on them, just so the transgender person feels better??

@CallTheMobWife I work with a (natal) female Lawrence and a (natal) male Michelle. They are French, and as far as I know are common names in France. I'm assuming the poster you quoted is similar. In my case they both have (Mrs) or (Mr) in front of their names in their signature to avoid confusion.

Was this part of the Stonewall 'Gold Standard Employer' requirement?

If so I'm highly dubious about the motives behind it. Normalising preferred pronouns is not a good thing especially when it filters down to children.

Didn't the Cass report say that adopting preferred pronouns and socially transitioning children is hard to draw back on and is not not benign?

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/gender-inequality-man-woman-switch-names-week-martin-schneider-nicky-knacks-pay-gap-a7622201.html?amp

They are optional where I work and most don’t use them.

In some professions/areas of work being assumed male is an advantage so requiring female Sam to put she/her potentially disadvantages her.

given that there are still significant barriers to progression in many areas of work due to sex and race find it strange that we are asking people to declare anything at all.....
when we go to great lengths to anonymise people including race, sex and disability during job application process

I will continue to use my initials, professional title and family name.

A teacher in my department many years ago was a nightmare to manage, whatever changes we were forced to implement she ignored 'it'll change again soon enough' was her frustrating response but I'm thinking she was right, there'll be another fad around soon so why bother learning this one?

I had a colleague with an ambiguous first name, being fed up of being misgendered in writing she used to simply write (Mrs) at the end. This was long before Stonewall discovered pronouns. Linguistically, it's more polite as it's a point of information for the reader rather than an attempt to enforce speech.

My name sometimes means I am confused for a man by international colleagues. I roll with it. If anyone wants to know the disadvantage it can be to be perceived as a woman over email, this is very interesting about when a man took over his female colleague's email for a week:
twitter.com/SchneidRemarks/status/839910253680553988

I cringe for people who do that. Especially in Teams meetings when they actually say out loud ‘Hi, I’m Paul, he/him pronouns’ 😬 😬 😡

100% your choice, to do so. It should be 100% your choice not to do so either.

I'm a little sympathetic to those who have a name not widely used, of a non-UK heritage, or a name used by both women and men (Ashley, Leigh as examples). If they choose to do so.

If someone expects another person to remember their pronouns they are saying "it's more important that you make me feel comfortable than I make you feel comfortable".

I have a unisex name. Before people meet me they assume I am male. I didn’t die from this.

It's ridiculous

Are you sure you have suffered horrifying LITERAL violence??