To think stating your pronouns is redundant?

[BridgertonLady]

I’m referring to email signatures. When for example you’re female with an obvious feminine name. It seems a bit performative in my opinion.

If however your name is Michelle and you state in your signature he/him then great thanks for letting me know so I can refer to you correctly without offensive as I would have just assumed she/her.

As say the copy and paste arguments against it on Mn.

Fwiw, I dont necessarily agree with pronouns, but the 'controlling speech' line is idiotic.

This :-)

I don’t think it’s ‘idiotic’ but more so than ‘controlling speech’ I feel like it is forcing me to collude in sometying I don’t believe exists. Emperors New Clothes springs to mind.

How idiotic?

Having someone tell me what words I should use is attempting to control my speech.

Putting your pronouns in email signatures is so last week. Now it is all about adding information about how to pronounce your first name.

www.rocketseed.com/blog/culture-of-inclusivity-with-name-pronunciation-in-email-signature

I kindof get adding a pronunciation, because this useful info to the recipient.

Although if someone left a coat behind somewhere, you would say 'Someone left their coat behind'.

I don't think it works well for trans people either.

If you're a TW called Jane, it should be fairly obvious from the new name you've chosen, that you want 'she' as your pronoun. Adding 'pronoun: she/her' implies it's not obvious which they are! Or maybe it's a quiet admission that TW don't pass so the rest of us need a clue

This. “Who’s ‘she’? The cat’s mother?”

I like the idea of name pronunciation markers. Its just basic politeness to try to get someone's name right.

How did you all upset Dominique? How different do you treat men and women for it to have been an issue? Send him a bunch of tampons and call him homegirl?

It's virtue signalling and totally unnecessary; it doesn't matter how you refer to someone who isn't present, it matters how you treat them - it shouldn't be important you know whether Ashley has a willy or not before you decide how to treat them. I accept it does matter to a lot of people but that is something we should be getting rid of, not encouraging - like how job applications hide names to attempt to manage racism and sexism - that's real progression.

No, it isnt.

Its not about you .

As an equivalent,-

I will just call everyone by the wrong name, and mrs by miss , or mr by mrs.

No? Why not?

It's literally demanding that I use a pronoun which I might not use if left to my own perceptions. So er, yeah, it is about me, Welfarerightsworker and everyone who is being told they should refer to someone in a way that may not be true.

It's cringy and ridiculous

Its funny we use words like demanding when it's this side of.the debate. Creates a bias.

As I said I'm not a fan of pronouns for a number of reasons. None of them because I think I'm too wonderful to do as other people ask.

I am all for people using phonetic symbols, as per the dictionary. Or failing that the international aviation alphabet. Pronouns, not so much.

My workplace keep pushing us to put our pronouns in our email signatures by sending out reminders to the whole business, but only a couple in my team have. Its to make it a more inclusive place to work apparently but I won't be doing it until they actually physically make me as in have a talk with me personally, and even then after that I probably wouldn't stay for long. Fair enough, add pronouns if you don't want to be mis-gendered, but surely it's just common sense.

Is the French male Michelle not Michel though ? That's the make version in France.

It’s also a male name.

No, normalising it makes it easier for those who face the challenge of being recognised as something different to how they present to use them. But it can also pressure people who aren't ready to declare, so I'm on the fence with it.

I'm Asian. There is no way of knowing if I'm male or female from my email signature. My name is mind blowingly genderless and most people have met a male and a female with this name so it's impossible to tell.
And I couldn't care less. I'd rather not have to state pronouns because, just like sexual preference, it shouldn't really be anyone's business what you identify as. Might aswell stick what race i am on my signature too!

And the female Laurence. Male would be Laurent.

I always see it and think "yeah alright Dave we all know you're a man, do you want to wave your willy about some more so we can be left in no doubt of your male privilege?"

Because it is invariably men with entirely obviously male names. I sympathise if your name is Sam, or Nick, if you are a male Jan or a female George, but honestly how often do you need to know someone's pronouns if you work with them? It is rare and can be avoided if there is doubt.

I have a name that can be either, I have never been offended by someone getting it wrong. Why would I? Easy mistake and sometimes quite funny. I really wish we lived in a world where no one cared about pronouns. Too complicated to remember!

“It's not something I do, but I think the idea is that if more people put their pronouns, then the people who actually 'need' to tell people their pronoun (ie trans people) they might not feel so uncomfortable about it.”

Ahhh bless. You fell for that narrative did you?

Pronouns on emails just signal either thick, uncritical bandwagon-jumping sheep or a company that insists on women-hating Stonewall fascism. Either way I inwardly lose respect, and I won’t engage or give that person my business if I can help it.

I always think it sorts out the knobbers so you can try to avoid. The exception being sometimes somebody with a unisex name but the old fashioned Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms sorts out the grown ups then too.