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No not everyone has ADHD

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HobnobsChoice · 15/01/2023 17:47

My sister in law has over the last few months come to the conclusion that she azxnd her child have ADHD. Which they might well do. Certainly my nephew has something going on. Fine, they get their diagnosis and support etc.
But since reading about ADHD she is now claiming almost everyone she knows has ADHD. Both of her parents, both of her exes, one of my kids, her colleague, her former neighbour.

All she talks about is ADHD, traits of ADHD, effects of ADHD. We literally can't have a cup of tea without it being discussed and her suggesting that Person A couldn't do DIY because they probably have ADHD or that person B can't lock a door because they have ADHD. She doesn't seem to realise that someone can just be crap at something without it being indicative od neurodiversity.
Am I being unreasonable to ask her to stop talking about it all the time and remind her that she is a civil servant and in no way qualified to making such sweeping generalisations. And that it's becoming quite frustrating and boring that we no longer talk about anything else. Or is her fixation on this a sign that she probably does have ADHD and she cannot help it.
(To not be accused of drip feeding.She's in her late 30s, a single parent in a responsible role and never had any difficulties at school or university or home which would typically suggest ADHD according to her parents and my husband (her brother). I am aware of masking but they genuinely cannot remember her ever struggling either socially or academically. She's always been employed in either voluntary or public sector and done well in her jobs.)

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HammergoHammer · 17/01/2023 08:46

@FloorWipes it's about the bigger picture. When my daughter gets to the workplace, is she going to be competing against someone who has been a solicitor for 20 years, has no problem with public speaking but also has 'adhd'. Isn't someone going to say 'well if they can why can't you?'
That's not to mention the lack of psychiatrists nationwide. We have put the same advert out for a consultant Psychiatrist in my hospital three times, not for CAHMs but adult mental health, no applicants. If psychiatrists can work exclusively from home earning more dinero charging £2k for an hour Skype call rather than actually go out to peoples homes to help those in crisis with their ND children, then why wouldn't they?
What adult services would high functioning ADHD adults actually need? Most of the ones I know are employed, self sufficient, reasonably happy. If you're talking about if they had a breakdown then they would be able to access the same CMHT that everyone else has access to. In essence, the adhd is then secondary to the other help they need at that point.

vivainsomnia · 17/01/2023 08:55

I was convinced I had some level of ADHD when I went through the menopause. The menopause is often associated with a significant increase of adrenalin. That process is not really well understood by professionals.

Adrenalin is often release the most at night, resulting in poor sleep, which in turn affects memory, concentration, mood.

All the typical behaviours shown by those suffering from ADHD is very common during the menopause and it is very easy to confuse the two.

FloorWipes · 17/01/2023 08:59

@HammergoHammer ND is a spectrum. There's not much we can do about that. In the case of autism, the argument for removing categories has been that they aren't reliable and support needs can change a lot over time. I think that is one of the things that NT people struggle to understand about us the most - how can we be so functional one minute and so non functional the next? How can we be so able in one area and yet completely unable to carry out a basic task in another? These types of "contradiction" can be inherent in ND.

The lack of psychiatrists is a complex systemic issue that you really can't blame ND adults for. Come on.

CMH services in my experience don't have sufficient training in ND to know that we need different treatment and support. ADHD is never going to be secondary to my MH needs because it is central to who I am - that's another thing that is difficult to grasp from an NT perspective. Our conditions are pervasive in our being- not some add on.

LimitIsUp · 17/01/2023 09:00

Itsonlyagame · 15/01/2023 18:07

When you suspect your child is neurodivergent and you research it can be like a lightbulb being switched on with regards to recognising traits in others and yourself. Speaking from experience here. Also neurodivergent people can often become hyperfocused on interests, including their own condition. ADHD also runs in families so it wouldn't be a stretch for some other family members to also have ADHD. If you are annoyed about her constantly talking about it mention it to her or change the subject but don't disparage her thoughts and ideas, they may well be valid.

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User98866 · 17/01/2023 09:06

I think the above have highlighted exactly why it becomes a problem when everyone and his dog has a diagnosis. In the workplace when 3 people have it on a team it will make it impossible for people who are profoundly disabled by it. It will be ‘Well Jane, Harry and Stacey all have adhd too and they manage to do x/y/z.

Im not sure many adults going for a diagnosis realise they are getting a diagnosis of a serious disability, rather than a MN condition. The reason I asked about blood tests is because I was wondering if private diagnosis takes into account other causes of fairly suddenly onset symptoms in adults. and it’s good to see the NHS won’t begin diagnosis before other things are ruled out but is this the same for private? Do they address lifestyle? It’s seems many adults who have essentially bumbled thought life fully functioning are now deciding they need a diagnosis. I fall firmly into this camp. My memory and organisational skills shocking and noticed a marked decline, have always struggled socially. To use examples from this thread I loose my car keys every single time I need them, put off admin tasks for months, find daily tasks difficult, easily distracted. It took me 3 days to bleach my sink because I kept going up to get the bleach from the bathroom then forgetting, then not bothering to go and get it whilst I remember. It’s then very easy to go through the diagnostic criteria and fit yourself into it. I’ve never had a career or anything other than a low paid low skilled job, did I struggle at school? Maybe I did. It’s would be very very easy to slot everything into place and I see people do it online all the time. But really all these could be caused by many many things and that will be the same for most individuals. The explosion of diagnosis can’t possibly be accurate, or about 1/4 of the population will have it and then as others have said it becomes just a variation of normal. Also many more % have a diagnosis in the US. Go figure.

hilariousnamehere · 17/01/2023 09:32

There are some good points on this thread but this one comes up in conversation sometimes and always makes me laugh:

What Is love to know is how many people get tested and get a negative result, especially when paying privately. I bet much more people getting tested get a diagnosis of ADHD than confirmation they don't. It can be a self fulfilling prothecy.

How many people do you imagine get as far as assessment because they have done all the pre-screening and convinced a GP to refer them, who don't have ADHD? In my experience like a pp I had to have written letters from other people about what I was like as a child and an adult in specific situations, had to find report cards from childhood and the actual assessment was long and thorough. It wasn't a fun process and it took a lot of time - I suspect a lot of people who don't have it wouldn't get that far through the process so of course the percentage of assessments diagnosed is high at that point!

To address another point, no, of course NT people don't sail through life but I'm not sure how to describe the difficulties I've experienced except by repeating the analogy I quoted earlier -

*Everyone needs to pee, but if you're peeing 62 times a day there is probably a problem."

No one is twitchy about the daily meds I take to control my allergies and make me capable of sleeping, breathing without sniffing and working - I'm not sure why people are so twitchy about another daily medication which makes my life better? I'd much rather not need either, to be honest.

MissWings · 17/01/2023 10:26

@HammergoHammer

Totally agree with what you’ve just said in regards to doing others a potential disservice. It’s going to be a case of well yes x,y,z have ADHD and they manage fine so you’ll have to get on with it. I was making this point in another thread but it got deleted for being “ableist”. Honestly ridiculous.

BertieBotts · 17/01/2023 11:12

We should just drop ridiculous "well you need to try harder" expectations for everybody.

I think that's what people get upset about - they see it as someone with ADHD (or whatever) getting a "free pass" to "be lazy or disorganised" (which... it isn't)

But maybe if we just stopped all the shame based stuff in the first place and rather than assuming if somebody isn't doing something it's because they are lazy/selfish, but looking further to see if they are struggling with something, there wouldn't be so much resentment?

The assumption always seems to be that people will automatically be lazy, selfish, entitled, disorganised etc unless somehow incentivised not to be but is that really true? I don't think it is. But it's that assumption that makes people "jealous" of understanding, accommodations etc for ADHD Confused

Onnabugeisha · 17/01/2023 11:40

@HammergoHammer
it's about the bigger picture. When my daughter gets to the workplace, is she going to be competing against someone who has been a solicitor for 20 years, has no problem with public speaking but also has 'adhd'. Isn't someone going to say 'well if they can why can't you?'

This happens for every disability in existence because the diagnosis is based on meeting a threshold. Anyone at that threshold to far beyond in terms of severity of impact caused the disability gets the same diagnosis. This is common knowledge that you can’t tell how disabled a person is by diagnosis alone. It’s built into all the work capability and disability benefits by focussing not on diagnoses of disabilities but performance and needs.

Youre trying to gatekeep everyone between where your DD is and below her to the diagnosis threshold for ADHD. Which is quite ableist really, because I am sure there are ADHD sufferers that have more severe impacts from the ADHD than does you daughter.

I get it, it seems unfair. I had similar thoughts regarding my DS with severe dyslexia. Also got the comments “my DC has dyslexia, and can do x, why can’t your DC?” Usually it’s expressed much more insultingly though- “dyslexia isn’t why your DC didn’t do as well, my DC has dyslexia and they smashed it…you need to be more involved in your DC’s education because they’re probably not putting the effort in”

I get it with my disabilities as well, quite often, as a few are quite severe. I think the lesson to learn though is don’t make assumptions about anyone based on diagnosis alone and don’t gatekeep because you’re just raising a threshold to match your experience, and more often than not, there is always someone who has it worse than you, would you want them to invalidate the existence of your disability because you’re not as bad off?

Tessisme · 17/01/2023 11:59

... the lesson to learn though is don’t make assumptions about anyone based on diagnosis alone and don’t gatekeep because you’re just raising a threshold to match your experience, and more often than not, there is always someone who has it worse than you, would you want them to invalidate the existence of your disability because you’re not as bad off?

I was going to say something similar, but you've saved me the trouble @Onnabugeisha. I couldn't agree more.

Curiosity101 · 17/01/2023 12:01

the lesson to learn though is don’t make assumptions about anyone based on diagnosis alone and don’t gatekeep because you’re just raising a threshold to match your experience

An analogy I use for myself is chickenpox. Chicken pox is primarily a mild disease... but not for everyone. Some cases are very severe and those severe cases can warrant medical intervention/lots of medical care. That doesn't mean the child with very mild chickenpox doesn't have chickenpox, just because another person's child was so poorly that they needed to be hospitalised.

The problem as I see it really is the assumptions people make. And just because a number of people have milder symptoms shouldn't in any way downplay or invalidate your own experience. You also don't know what you don't know. I'm one of those high-flying (career wise) perfectly fine low symptomatic people if I do have ADHD. What you don't see is the depression, self-harm, suicidal thoughts, disordered eating, anxiety, panic attacks and everything else that I have and have had throughout my life. You also don't see all the therapy that went with it that failed miserably to actually fix any of the problems.

It just so happens that I was able to follow my passions as a child and that one of those was that I genuinely enjoyed learning maths and science so I ended up doing well at school. Except in the subjects I found boring... people couldn't understand why my grades blipped. Obviously I just needed to work harder... Then I have done well in work because I happened to fall into a career that was a follow-on from my obsession/hobby (web development). I've just been very very lucky and very privileged. From talking to other late diagnosed women - the story I've mentioned above is a common one. Depression, self harm, EDs, Anxiety/Panic attacks etc and all that fun stuff starts to go away once they've received the 'correct' diagnosis and started the correct treatment/started learning the correct strategies. I've been 'treated' for all these things on and off throughout my life (not that most people know that who know me) no amount of therapy or CBT has made a dent. What has made a difference is starting to use some of the techniques and strategies suggested to those with ADHD and ASD. My symptoms are mild (in the grand scheme), but they can be entirely debilitating (literally complete mental shut down) if I'm in many very standard situations. Again, people don't know this cause I've adjusted my life to avoid the vast majority of those situations. It's only when you put me in them that you go "Err Curiosity101, what's up?"

My request would be try not to tar everyone with the same brush and take them at face value. You really don't know what's going on. But equally, I feel for you @HammergoHammer, my heart breaks for your little girl. You clearly love her and want the best for her and just want her to be understood and get the support she needs. I can see why you worry about lower threshold diagnoses making her life harder, but that really is society that needs to change to start taking people as they come and not making these constant unhelpful comparisons.

Oxfordblue · 17/01/2023 12:04

Going back to your post @HobnobsChoice, you’re correct, not everyone is ADHD.

For your friend, taking on board that a medical diagnosis is validation for previously perceived ‘quirks’, there’s likely to be an element of grieving. Grief for the life thar could have been, had this neurological difference been identified earlier and appropriate support put in place. She is likely mourning/incredulous at her ‘what could have beens’, assessing her kids and so naturally is completing a checklist against everyone she knows or encounters.

Anyone who is diagnosed and is prescribed medication for the first time, actually gets to see how much easier life is with focus on those dreary mundane tasks (it now takes 8 mins to load the dishwasher v 3 hours procrastinating), their impulsive behaviour, such as interrupting is greatly improved, their focus on tedious, mind numbing tasks at work is amplified.

Again, experiencing life on meds, almost through an NT lens, is a revelation. For the person who hated chemistry, who knew that it’s now palatable. The person that’s up and down the stairs all day, looking for various items, is able to focus and make less trips, becoming less exhausted to produce the equivalent. This is life changing.

But it’s not the whole story as Executive function dysfunction plays a huge part in ADHD. This area of the brain is not fixed with meds, but an understanding of what’s different can help with learning and applying new skills and better strategies.

ADHD also rarely travels alone, for example ASD traits, previously masked by ADHD symptoms become apparent, leading to ASD diagnosis, the issues with maths that made you think you were useless, is actually dyscalclia. Perhaps sensory issues are identified such as bright lights, the noise of a ticking clock.

The upshot is not that Neurodivergent = broken, only that it’s different.
As someone else commented, we don’t live in an ND world, where the skill sets of ADHD are required for survival - think the instant reaction of spotting and killing dinner for your village, where there was a part for everyone. Now companies want everyone the same, they’ve created an exclusive NT culture, and differences are managed out - they don’t fit our culture, we don’t do reasonable adjustments.
(Some) companies are attempting to address this with their recruitment guarantees of interviews, apparently seeking disabled people, because they’ve realised that having everyone thinking the same, brings the same thoughts to the table.

The concept of ADHD previously conjured up naughty boys, climbing on chairs and jumping on tables. In the US, where artificial colours etc. are in all the fake foods, pretty much every child seems to be medicated. So there’s a bias in place for girls & women; they don’t jump on tables, they eat organic food free from colours, they’re not generally disruptive. Girls therefore fly under the radar. Girls are generally people pleasers, they continue to look to others to mask, they daydream, they chat too much, they get simple things wrong and life is harder for them. Their confidence is knocked, their self esteem is lower. Girls can be resilient, so they just pick themselves back up, thinking I must try harder, because that’s what they’ve always been told.

On brain scans, which aren’t used as part of the diagnosis, ADHD brains are different, so there’s no argument there. For an adult assessment, which have years long waiting lists, there are comprehensive questionnaires, requests for school reports, even memories of school and learning are taken into account, because they are so different to an NT person. The assessor, who must be qualified for the NHS to even consider taking on shared care, will go through, in great detail the answers to the past behaviours, and will also go into great depth for what’s going on in recent years and now. The assessor will also be assessing the delivery of this. An experienced ADHD consultant, with proper letters after their name, who can also prescribe ADHD medication, will quite literally know ADHD as soon as the patient opens there mouth.

Theres an interesting point made here about brain fog and menopause. This is because lower levels of estrogen exacerbate ADHD symptoms. Decades ago middle aged, menopause women were living on their nerves (anxiety), described as neurotic, didn’t leave the house or left home (mid life crisis) or literally hid under the stairs. We’ve moved on from there and yes, HRT will raise estrogen and at the correct dose, mental and physical symptoms will improve. But HRT doesn’t cure ADHD, although at the ADHD assessment, ‘are you taking HRT’ is frequently asked of women of a certain age. There’s a recommendation to follow this up with your regular GP.

It seems the consensus is that ‘everyone’ is throwing money for ADHD assessments and buying medication. This is an expensive business. At around £800 + for an assessment, upwards of £95 for ADHD meds per month + titration (£95 for each prescription and there are different doses, brands, combinations) and no guarantee of shared care + the list of side effects, why would anyone spend this huge amount of money and effort, just to be part of the ‘next new thing’? 😵‍💫

Whatafool123 · 17/01/2023 12:06

I am not sure I really understand what people are trying to suggest on here. Is the thinking that only children should be diagnosed because if you have made it into adulthood without ending up jobless and maybe even homeless, you clearly don't have ADHD 'badly' enough to warrant a diagnosis?

NoNewsIsGoodNews · 17/01/2023 12:06

I am very worried as to how NHS ADHD are going to cope.

Where I work we are all getting weekly requests for referral to ADHD services. People often say that they have seen it on TikTok and think they have it.

Which they may well have. The problem is that to refer here, all you need to have is a completed questionnaire. It is relatively easy to score enough on the questionnaire to warrant further assessment. People were having to wait four years for an NHS assessment in the summer of last year. With the massive increase in requests recently for referral this wait is going to be even longer.

The NHS service goes to some lengths to speak to friends and family to get a collateral history. The private service just needs one other person to complete a questionnaire. And nearly everybody who has a private assessment comes out with a diagnosis of ADHD, much more than in the NHS service. NHS consultants have said they are seeing people who have been misdiagnosed and inappropriately started on ADHD medication by private providers. This then causes problems later as the actual mental health issue has not been addressed and the patients have side-effects from medication they should not be taking. But no one of course blames people for going private. The NHS waiting lists are just stupid.

So I just do not know how the services will cope with an increase in referrals for NHS ADHD assessment and then the overdiagnosis which goes on in some parts of the private sector which helps nobody. This is as worrying as the wait for proper diagnosis in the NHS.

We need a reactive and responsive NHS which screens effectively and gives out correct diagnosis in a timely fashion. We do not have that currently and there is no sign of this happening any time soon.

User98866 · 17/01/2023 13:01

And nearly everybody who has a private assessment comes out with a diagnosis of ADHD, much more than in the NHS service. NHS consultants have said they are seeing people who have been misdiagnosed and inappropriately started on ADHD medication by private providers.

And yet we’re told time and time again that this simply doesn’t happen.

LimitIsUp · 17/01/2023 13:23

User98866 · 17/01/2023 13:01

And nearly everybody who has a private assessment comes out with a diagnosis of ADHD, much more than in the NHS service. NHS consultants have said they are seeing people who have been misdiagnosed and inappropriately started on ADHD medication by private providers.

And yet we’re told time and time again that this simply doesn’t happen.

This is so misleading.

I put my ds forward for screening via ADHD360 (he has some traits, and there is ADHD in the family) but before you can make an appointment for formal assessment and pay a deposit, you have to do an initial online screening questionnaire (which is formally recognised as a preliminary ADHD screening tool). He completed this questionnaire and was deemed below the threshold for suspected ADHD - so no diagnostic appointment offered - end of process. No ADHD

It stands to reason that those who get as far as the formal diagnostic process are likely to get a diagnosis, since they completed the preliminary screening tool and were deemed to be above the threshold for likely ADHD - and therefore in need of formal evaluation.

It's really not that hard to understand

As for doctors alluding to people being misdiagnosed, I am sorry to say that most GPs don't have the first clue about ADHD (which is also true of some of the contributors on this thread)

LimitIsUp · 17/01/2023 13:26

Similarly I think some NHS consultants are hopelessly out of date ( the stereotype of a lairy, energetic mischievous boy still prevails)

Babycakes6 · 17/01/2023 14:04

I believe there is an ‘awareness campaign’ and everyone is questioning their ND status, including myself 🤷‍♀️
I believe it’s good, because early diagnosis helps a lot. Children on spectrum can be thought social skills, children with ADHD can be thought organisational skills, it will make their lives less difficult and help others understand.

HammergoHammer · 17/01/2023 16:23

The thing about those who have the privilege of choosing to go private for their diagnosis of is that they obviously have the funds to pay for any medication, and also, in regards to children, do not require any urgent additional support from the school.
My LA will only take an NHS diagnosis in order to sign a the cheques for EHCPs if it involves staffing. Therefore it also the most profoundly affected who are left waiting for the NHS assessment i.e. those who need 1:1s. That's not to mention the social economic factors which mean that adhd kids are more likely to come from households with lower incomes.
I wouldn't pay for a private diagnosis out of principle. I have dedicated so many years of my life to mental health services, I feel it is a provision which should be there for all. It wouldn't be so bad if private clinics took pressure away from NHS services but they don't. Usually people get privately diagnosis for their children then still come to their nhs appointments waiving their bits of paper. At that point it would be very difficult for the clinician to disagree with the diagnosis.
I'm not sure what the answer is. In psychiatric hospitals we often see that someone with childhood ADHD turns out to actually have autism or emerging PD/ CPTSD. Even then the diagnosis is not clear cut. But then again, we assess someone for 3-6 months, 24 hours a day, this just isn't possible in the community.

NoNewsIsGoodNews · 17/01/2023 17:14

LimitIsUp · 17/01/2023 13:23

This is so misleading.

I put my ds forward for screening via ADHD360 (he has some traits, and there is ADHD in the family) but before you can make an appointment for formal assessment and pay a deposit, you have to do an initial online screening questionnaire (which is formally recognised as a preliminary ADHD screening tool). He completed this questionnaire and was deemed below the threshold for suspected ADHD - so no diagnostic appointment offered - end of process. No ADHD

It stands to reason that those who get as far as the formal diagnostic process are likely to get a diagnosis, since they completed the preliminary screening tool and were deemed to be above the threshold for likely ADHD - and therefore in need of formal evaluation.

It's really not that hard to understand

As for doctors alluding to people being misdiagnosed, I am sorry to say that most GPs don't have the first clue about ADHD (which is also true of some of the contributors on this thread)

I am talking about the NHS consultants from the specialist ADHD service. Who have concerns about the local private provider but completely understand why patients have given up waiting for the NHS to help them. It clearly varies in different areas.

NoNewsIsGoodNews · 17/01/2023 17:17

HammergoHammer · 17/01/2023 16:23

The thing about those who have the privilege of choosing to go private for their diagnosis of is that they obviously have the funds to pay for any medication, and also, in regards to children, do not require any urgent additional support from the school.
My LA will only take an NHS diagnosis in order to sign a the cheques for EHCPs if it involves staffing. Therefore it also the most profoundly affected who are left waiting for the NHS assessment i.e. those who need 1:1s. That's not to mention the social economic factors which mean that adhd kids are more likely to come from households with lower incomes.
I wouldn't pay for a private diagnosis out of principle. I have dedicated so many years of my life to mental health services, I feel it is a provision which should be there for all. It wouldn't be so bad if private clinics took pressure away from NHS services but they don't. Usually people get privately diagnosis for their children then still come to their nhs appointments waiving their bits of paper. At that point it would be very difficult for the clinician to disagree with the diagnosis.
I'm not sure what the answer is. In psychiatric hospitals we often see that someone with childhood ADHD turns out to actually have autism or emerging PD/ CPTSD. Even then the diagnosis is not clear cut. But then again, we assess someone for 3-6 months, 24 hours a day, this just isn't possible in the community.

And some patients get the private diagnosis and then hope the GP will take over prescribing. This is not always the case as the GPs don’t always have shared care agreements with the private provider. So they have to go without treatment until they reach the top of the NHS ADHD waiting list, or carry on paying privately.

WalkthisWayUK · 17/01/2023 17:30

@FloorWipes yes I do believe services are being reduced for kids, hard enough to get them anyway. There is a knock on effect. This is not just funding for services, it’s what is decided and many adults with ND are now being very vocal about what treatment should be, therapies, the ‘centering’ of ADHD is being moved away from kids and towards adult experience. It is because in my view different presentations and different severities are being strongly advocated by adults as being all the same thing, and they are not.

Whatafool123 · 17/01/2023 17:35

Given what you say about NHS waiting times, I would probably not pursue a diagnosis for myself (though I might for my DS if his behavioural issues take us down that path).

What was a light bulb moment for me was reading an article about ADHD in women and girls and realising that traits I have had for years might not be just a result of my own shortcomings and/or laziness. This has taken me to online support communities that have some really useful tips for people with ADHD. These are just as helpful for anyone with poor executive function. So it has been a useful process for me, at least, whether or not I actually have ADHD.

Of course, that is no help for someone that needs medication or extra support at work or school, so I hope that something changes for the better soon in respect of diagnostic resources in the NHS, for all forms of neurodiversity.

WalkthisWayUK · 17/01/2023 17:41

@HammergoHammer My personal view is that we should be moving towards more targeted provision, with more specific and tailored diagnosis. And we should fiercely defend against not judging severity, because severity as a category is the only way to help those who most need it with the most support. We should not be putting such a wide spectrum of experience into one clinical diagnosis such as ADHD or autism. It has rendered these meaningless.

I know this isn’t the great analogy, struggling to think of one, but take breast cancer. It’s an important diagnosis, right? Important because it is a gateway to the right treatment. Now we can pinpoint the severity and type of breast cancer, know which treatment works best for different types. Those with more severity get more urgent, more upscale treatment.

I think we should do this with ND, but swap ‘treatment’ for the word ‘support’. If you have ADHD, then the severity, the type should be assessed. Targeted support can then be given at the right level. If you have a less severe ADHD and of a different type, then your experience is different from someone with a more severe ADHD. Adults really argue against severity but in my view this is extremely damaging to those more affected. You can ‘feel’ bad about your ADHD, it can affect you quite severely, but the actual ADHD itself can be differentiated into being more severe or not. In the same way that someone with a very severe breast cancer might cope better than someone with a less aggressive breast cancer, fudging that this means that all breast affects me just as badly would affect the ability to target treatment.

FloorWipes · 17/01/2023 18:36

@WalkthisWayUK can you provide some sort of evidence that reduction in children's services has anything to do with adults being diagnosed with ADHD. It just seems so unlikely given how non existent adult services are. We are all victims of chronic underfunding - but are we really in direct competition? Can't we all demand better? Also, as ADHD is so heritable it seems like supporting parents with the condition might be good for children too.

Has anyone said that people with more support needs shouldn't get more support? That's how it works at school, in clinics, with PIP etc. currently. The main argument I've seen made is that support needs are not static - which they very much aren't - and they can be very domain specific - which they can. That makes direct comparisons hard. The DSM5 for example brought categories of autism together because it was found that the way clinicians assigned them was variable so they didn't carry much meaning in practice.

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