To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

[WandaWomblesaurus]

nypost.com/2023/01/14/sighting-of-trans-womans-penis-in-ymca-locker-room-sparks-tears/

Another story about an inappropriate man in a woman's changing room - is this what we are going to see more of in the UK now too? Having been both flashed and sexually assaulted in a public place, this chills me to the bone. Men who get a thrill out of exposing themselves to women will use any opportunity to do so. To think that they won't abuse women's spaces is to be wilfully and dangerously naive.

YANBU - Not unreasonable to think that flashing is flashing regardless of self ID and magical feelings.

YABU - Be kind to men etc etc

Absolutely hilarious that there’s a man on this thread arguing that men aren’t sexually interested in naked women..

You can't magically fashion a vagina. You either have one or don't. Chopping one's penis off still renders you a man.

Burgoo

As a man I don’t believe most men get “turned on” by woman getting changed.

Yet many do and many also get turned on by dressing in women's clothes. These are often combined. Also, it doesn't need to be a physical attack, it can be indecent exposure, or intimidation.

Read the thread and similar ones and you'll see how many women have been assaulted in various ways; most have also been "flashed." If you can take that onboard, you'll understand why women don't want men in places where they can't get away easily, whilst in a state of undress.

Why should older women not get to have their voices heard, in your opinion? Why do we have to arbitrarily cut off our opinions as invalid when we reach a certain age.
Which age per chance might that be? Because I have been discussing this and fighting back since I was in my twenties - as have most of my friends and we are still technically Millennials.

Sexist and ageist eh? How lovely for you.

And selling the majority of women down the river for something you and your mates want? Charming.

If you want unisex facilities, fight for them. But don’t take away the female only facilities to create them. Which is what is happening now.

Many of my former colleagues are muslim
women who are now unable to use changing rooms or toilets because they female spaces have become unisex. They also cannot attend women only swimming sessions because TW are there, meaning it is not women only.

Forcing this point now has a real life impact on the women who are being forced slowly to stay home and exclude from working out for their health.

I don't want to see a strangers penis, but more important to me, I do not want a male stranger to see my body. I want to be able to maintain my privacy and dignity. If I were religious then I would want to be able to adhere to the tenants of my religion and not have someone else take that from me.

They wouldn't have a vagina.

They would have a surgically-created pseudo approximation of a vagina that would not resemble a real vagina and would lack a real vagina's ability to stretch (a vagina is a muscular structure) or self-clean.

The pseudo vagina would most likely be constructed from skin from the arm or part of the colon.

Thankfully times are changing and my views are the norm

They are not the norm. Your personal filter bubble is not the norm. Consistently in polls the majority do not want male people in women's changing rooms unless they have had full genital surgery. Which less than 5% do.

A few years ago my dd was in town, I think she was about 17 at the time (ive honestly lost track of time after covid) Anyway there is a man who wanders the town dressed in Womens clothes, a proper hairy arsed man, beard the works.

We used to laugh about it, but that day he went to sit on a bench in full view of all shoppers, he deliberately turned round first bending over wearing a mini skirt so everyone could see his cock and balls then sat on the bench with his legs open in full view. Perverse is one word but honestly there must be another? I really dont know!

He still wanders round the town dressed like that and obviously the police cant/wont get involved because DiScRiMiNaTiOn

And she's frantically advance searching me too, how sad! Or is she actually male, because I've never met a woman so simple minded that they don't realise why men shouldn't be in female safe spaces!

YANBU - I had the curtain opened on me by a man when I was trying clothes on a few weeks ago.

Hey @Limesodas

January 2023:

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10063073/rape-monster-targeted-demands-move-womens-prison/

If the men want data there are thousands of threads on FWR and government data regarding the male sex being more physically and sexually violent that women but a HUGE percentage.

Then we can go down the route of most women having been harassed or assaulted and not reporting it. So yes, yes most women are fearful of the male sex - and not due to data but because of human instinct.

who you imagine I care for the opinion of someone who thinks people can change sex

Quite. Do people actually think it's impressive that they are so gullible and easily duped?

Which countries?

See I would say doors are better. I would feel more threatened by a woman seeing my privates than a man. I hate changing rooms without cubicles that are segregated by gender. Maybe it's time we moved on from private parts and just treat it like any other part of the body so the offence and for some the thrill is removed at the same time. If showing your boobs becomes the same as showing some shoulder it's likely the interest will fall rapidly

YANBU - I had the curtain opened on me by a man when I was trying clothes on a few weeks ago.

This will keep happening. And it's highly unlikely it's a "mistake"

Most of what population? You know that's a lie.

And nobody has said anything about transpeople. As ever what you choose to reframe as anti trans is women saying no to men.

You may be used to mixed sex changing rooms* (where I have no idea) but many people, male and female, are not and do not want them.

*Mixed sex as in one space, fully enclosed single person cubicles or open spaces with everyone dressing/ undressing in full view of everyone else?

ResisterRex

January 2023:

I'm sure that limey will be along to tell us that it's not just acceptable, but that it's the only option and that we're all smelly bigots, because we say it's a FUCKING INSANE IDEA

In the past 12 months 4 men have been arrested for voyeuristic filming under the curtains in Primark changing rooms across the country. That's just the ones that have made the papers, god only knows how many more perverted men have done the same but either not been caught or not been publicised.

Unfortunately it is now something that every woman and girl needs to be alert to if they want to use fitting rooms in clothes shops, especially in those stores where the fitting rooms are mixed sex.

YANBU
As people can choose to self declare their identity it means that girls and women are massively at risk.
We all no that paedophiles will ingratiate themselves into places and spaces where women are vulnerable. Men in power are making decisions to protect the trans community at the cost of women's rights and safety.

I wondered the same thing but suspect that are the Nordic countries and Japan. I also suspect that the changing rooms relate to saunas and hot baths (can't recall the Japanese term) rather than shops for trying on clothing.

But I could be wrong.

I identify as an Archbishop, should I be treated as an Archbishop. Should people address me as Your Lord?

Edit: my post was in response to the question about which countries have had mixed sex changing rooms for ages.