To be annoyed and angry with DH

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on a 2 night trip to London with DH and the kids. Our first day here. We’re still out now. Since it went dark earlier this evening DH has not stopped saying “we need to go back to the hotel”, “it’s too dark”, “it’s not safe” and so on. I’ve told him to stop and he won’t. Aibu to be angry and annoyed with him? We’re on our way back to the hotel now but earlier I had to keep explaining to him for hours that just because it’s dark we don’t have to go straight back to the hotel. He’s been making the same comments for hours and hours since it went dark

"How is 10.30 nearly midnight?! They weren't back an hour later either. OP posted at 10.28 to be pedantic and said they were at the hotel then."

@Inkpotlover what?

To be pedantic you need to get it right. The OP posted at 23:35 that they were back at the hotel. If that's not nearly midnight I don't know what is. If it's not an hour later then...

And no, I don't live in London anymore but BIL does and we visit often. Londoners get so defensive about literally anything vaguely negative but it's true. I didn't say anything about "zombies", not everyone reacts that way to spice. Last time we were in London my mum was grabbed by some hyperactive fuckwit off his face on drugs. We were on Carnaby Street.

I've been pickpocketed once in Leicester Square tube station. My BIL has been smacked in the face and his bag taken off him, this was about 2 minutes from Kings Cross. He's been pickpocketed another time but I forget where other than it was just after work and he works in central London.

The same night my mum got grabbed, less than an hour later there was a scrap in O'Neills and the bouncers just shoved them straight out on to the street where they continued fighting. Classy. But fairly normal for a Friday night out and I've seen several. Someone got glassed once in a pub I forget the name of (Covent garden opposite travelodge). I think it claims to be the oldest pub or something. Big row on the table next to us. Next thing, blood everywhere.

Why would you even deny this is the case, or are you completely naive and unaware?

I believe it's safe, I don't think the OPs husband should be going on that it's not in front of the kids but I do think if, for whatever reason, he's scared then there's absolutely no need for poster after poster to belittle him and call him a fucking moist wet wipe. That's just nasty.

@LordSugarTits you seem ghastly.

Oh thank you @horriblechristmas2022 would you like to expand or did that unnecessary comment make you feel better? Sad or what?

It was 23.35. Can no fucker in London read? 🤣

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/warning-over-new-danger-drug-sweeping-the-west-end-a3360096.html?amp

www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/homelessness-westminster-food-shelter-housing-17027912

crimerate.co.uk/london/city-of-london

Why would you even try to pretend that Central London is crime free? It has loads to offer, nobody is saying that it doesn't. "Go and discover your Capital!!" 🤣 ODFOD I've lived there ffs 🤣

For anyone who can't be arsed to click -

The overall crime rate in City of London in 2021 was 665 crimes per 1,000 people. This compares poorly to London's overall crime rate, coming in 667% higher than the London rate of 87 per 1,000 residents. For England, Wales, and Northern Ireland as a whole, City of London is the most dangerous small town, and among the top 10 most dangerous locations out of all towns, cities, and villages.
The most common crimes in City of London are violence and sexual offences, with 1,367 offences during 2021, giving a crime rate of 141. This is 40% higher than 2020's figure of 975 offences and a difference of 40.32 from 2020's crime rate of 100. City of London's least common crimes are possession of weapons, with 54 offences recorded in 2021, a decrease of 3.6% from 2020's figure of 56 crimes.

You believe she posted that they were back the second she crossed the hotel threshold?

Why can no fucker outside of London engage some critical thought?

No I don't, but they were heading back at 10.30 and they were at the hotel and she was back on MN at 23.35 so I'd imagine around 11ish.

If me saying 23.35 is when they were back shows a lack of critical thinking then fine. But by that token, everyone saying they were back at 10.30 (they weren't) also lacks critical thinking 🤔

I may have missed the posts you’re referring to, but the ones I’ve seen were saying that the kids being out at 22:30 really wasn’t the big deal some posters seem to think it is.

No one said London was crime free though did they 🙄 @lordsugartits , seems like you need to learn to read too. You seem quite deranged tbh.

But he still spoilt the evening because he didn’t get his own way

Indeed. No idea why she's sharing crime stats on the City either as I think it's unlikely the OP and family were hanging out with the Financial Services drinkers on a Fri night. 😂

@cariadghost does personally insulting strangers on the internet make you feel good about yourself?

Yes, lots of posters said that central London is "extremely" safe. That it's safer than other parts of London. That there are no drug addicts or violent people in zone 1 or 2. Just spice girls and families merrily skipping around. That is utter bollocks and backed up year after year by crime stats (not to mention personal experience)

I also never said 10.30 was nearly midnight but pps got their knickers in a total twist about it. Whenever their precious London is questioned on here people go fucking mad. I've never met a more defensive group of people.

If you read my posts you'll see I don't think there is a reason to feel unsafe but I do think posters here, including yourself, are only here because they get a kick out of saying he's left his balls back in the bedroom, he's pathetic. And anyone who disagrees with them is ghastly or deranged.

@HundredMilesAnHour you don't think the OP was in the area covered by those crime stats on a 2 day sightseeing trip to london?

Ok then 👍

Look and you will see many children out and about in central London every night of the week at 10.30/11pm

Think about how many children are in West End shows. How many tourists.

In Spain when we have been there are families with young children coming into restaurants at that time.

I know I would be in Central London with Dd and Ds when they were that age every Saturday night.

I'll hold my hands up to misreading the timings and getting that wrong, but I don't think anyone said London is extremely safe or denied crime happens. People are reacting because your comment about there being spice users all over the place was frankly ridiculous and simply isn't true. Then posting crime stats about bike thefts to support your argument doesn't help the impression you're giving of being a drama llama about it.

Great graph but how many people visiting that part of the city wil be affected by a lot of those crimes.

if they don’t have a bike then it can’t be stolen.
If they aren’t shop lifting or taking drugs then they aren’t going to be affected

Also given the sheer number of people how does that compare to small towns

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I think for most people doing the touristy stuff, going out to dinner, going to school or work etc then central London is extremely safe bar pickpockets. Although I have never had anything pickpocketed in the 40+ years I have lived here..

Interesting that you use the dramatic words "schlepping" or "being dragged" rather than just good old fashioned "walking".

100% it's all so drama....

Dragged!

You mean walking 🚶‍♀️

Yes they did say that. And all I did was counteract with stats that are not about bikes, you can read further and see that violent crime, sexual crime and drugs are the top three. Similar to what I described. My experience of the areas I outlined as well as the area around Euston is that there are lots of people clearly on drugs. Just like every other city and many towns. I've worked with these people, maybe I notice them and others don't. Again, not my experience.

Yes, you did misread and I think you missed several posts that claimed Central London is extremely safe and safer than other parts of London. Why people are more bothered about me saying there's a drug problem and violence late at night, than sticking the boot in to either myself or the OPs husband I'll never know. That's why I put it down to the general defensive attitude surrounding London.

Here are some of the posts you missed.

"Are you in Central London? Because it’s incredibly safe and he’s overreacting."

"Central London is as safe in the evening as it is in the morning."

"London is no more or less safe at night than any other time (especially in Central areas)."

"I've been going out at night in London all my life. And have taken my kids out late all their lives too. It's an incredibly safe place"

"Also given the sheer number of people how does that compare to small towns"

What's with the clapping? Fucking hell 🤣 Compared to the rest of London the crime rate in that area is 667% higher. It is much higher than anywhere else in the UK per 1000 people. It's calculated per population so that it can be representative.

Tourists will make up a fair percentage of those affected by crime but really, my point was that it is not statistically safer and saying that it is and using that lie to then insult the OPs husband is wrong.

As I've said time and again, I don't think it's unsafe or that they were at risk. I think he's wrong for going on about it. But my children have witnessed crime and offensive behaviour by drugged up people more than once in central london. I've witnessed it and been a victim of it too. I wouldn't have a 6 year old out at 11pm in that area unless it was because we'd been at a show or something and that is a result of my experiences.

Don't forget the Kings Cross skanks...

I stand by the kings cross skanks because that is what they were. When a pissed up bloke smacks another while several of their stinking piss head mates watch on as I pass with my children, I'm going to call them skanks.

www.camdennewjournal.co.uk/article/hotel-guests-in-kings-cross-complain-rough-sleepers-spoil-the-view

I mean. I'm not the only one who doesn't want them there but why ruin a good internet pile on with the truth eh?

Your compassion for people who circumstances were so dire they've ended up on the streets is truly overwhelming. That article says nothing about them committing crime but just that heartless tourists like yourself think they are not very nice to look at from their nice, comfy hotel rooms. Gobsmacking you should use it as a defence!

No, the people I witnessed were behaving like skanks. The article is for the 2 posters that deny there is a problem with rough sleepers, some of them skanks, in the area of Kings Cross.

Local business owners tend to think otherwise.

Kind of. She said she just felt too anxious about big cities and all the crime and stabbings. I think like a previous poster said, she expects to see someone with a hatchet on every street corner.

She has made noises recently about trying again, as there’s a gig just off Oxford Circus that she fancies going to. I have declined signing up to, in her words, “escorting and looking after her for the evening and making sure she is ok”. I can’t afford all that time and money on tickets, travel and hotel to babysit her anxiety 24/7.

Recently she let her DH down due to a fear of central London and he had to take his daughter to the event he had booked instead.