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Lodger cranks up heating to 25

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Mumskisail · 05/01/2023 10:37

My partner left a few years ago and I had time off work for burnout and now in a less stressful (lower paid) role so on a tight income. I rent 2 rooms to help cover my mortgage and bills (about 40%).

The house is heated to 18-21 degrees depending on the room / personal preference, using Nest thermostats (called TRVs) on each radiator. It is lowered at 11pm until 5.30am, meaning it's warm for about an hour after going to bed and it heats up for a few hours before the lodgers get up.

One lodger is very happy with this and prefers a cooler room so sometimes turns it down.

But the other constantly overrides this and heats his room to 25. When I've tried to speak to him about it he answers his door in a tshirt and is only wearing normal socks. The rest of us have warm clothes, slippers and big fleece hoodies on winter evenings, and use fleece blankets to stay cosy on the sofa.

We seem to be in a battle of wills. He goes along with my suggested times and temperatures in discussion but has done everything including claiming his radiator and the TRV don't work, disconnecting the TRV but trying to make it look as though it's connected, saying it won't connect and pulling the little pin out with a pair of pliers to force the heating on. He leaves it on all night. The thermostat when it's reading says 25-26.

The other issue in this old Victorian house is that the heating pumping out all night causes banging in the pipes and keeps myself and the other lodger awake, or wakes us up in the night. So we prefer lots of layers and a quiet night unless we're in a cold patch.

I've offered him extra duvets and blankets (his looks thin) and a hot water bottle but he refuses. I've asked him to discuss the times he wants the heating on and to talk about the heating.

He says the temperature reading is wrong so I gave him a wireless thermostat which showed the same temperature as the TRV and showed it was correct.

I've explained about the increasing cost of gas and showed him my bills. I've showed him the temperatures in the rest of the house and that we are comfortable.

This is the second winter we are having these issues. Last year his sister died so I just kept my mouth shut and left him to it but I felt really unhappy.

Do I just suck it up, winter will be over soon and I'm not making a loss. Or do I tell him it's not acceptable and ask him to leave? Or is it better the devil you know, this is the only issue.

A friend suggested a locking cover to go over the TRV, I'm so irritated it's tempting but is that really ethical? And anyway would he then just get an electric heater? I don't go into his room and I would never snoop.

He's a 44 year old man having to rent a room and it must be his sanctuary and private space.

Do I just let him win the battle and chill out?

OP posts:
LakieLady · 05/01/2023 10:59

He's taking the piss. I'd give him notice.

AxolotlEars · 05/01/2023 11:00

quadruple the rent or give him notice

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/01/2023 11:02

Give him notice. No-one (barring people with specific medical needs, in which case he should have told you before you signed the TA) needs a temp of 25. He’s completely unreasonable.

Talia99 · 05/01/2023 11:03

Either substantially increase the rent to cover heating costs or (my preferred option) ask him to leave. While it’s his room, it’s your home.

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 05/01/2023 11:04

Yeah he needs to go. No consideration for you OR your home. He has no rights as a tenant. Give him written notice to leave, saying it's not working anymore.

Having the heating on at 25C at ANY time of year is fucking ridiculous.

Gooseysgirl · 05/01/2023 11:05

What a dick... get rid

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 05/01/2023 11:05

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/01/2023 11:02

Give him notice. No-one (barring people with specific medical needs, in which case he should have told you before you signed the TA) needs a temp of 25. He’s completely unreasonable.

Would there be a TA with a lodger?

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/01/2023 11:06

Ought to be some sort of agreement. Pretty daft not to. We hosted overseas students and they all signed agreements.

bigdecisionstomake · 05/01/2023 11:07

I think if in every other way he is a good lodger and aside from the heating you would be happy for him to continue living there, I would look for a compromise e.g. an increase of £10/15 a week in his rent. Whilst that may not be enough in winter to cover the additional usage if it is a permanent and year round increase then over the summer months it will allow you to save a bit towards the increased winter bills.

If he's not agreeable to the increase then give him notice to leave.

Godlovesall26 · 05/01/2023 11:08

Agreed, I’m currently sensitive to respiratory infections : I have a cold so heating is temporarily upped to 20, usually at 19. I don’t love 19 but it’s hardly torture, even my ideal would be 23, max 24 if freezing (if bills didn’t exist, and I’m originally from a crazy hot country so more a habit thing I guess)

Beamur · 05/01/2023 11:09

If he's otherwise a model lodger I would increase his rent to cover the increased expense.
If not, I would give him notice and get another lodger. He could have taken steps to wear warmer clothes etc and respected the perfectly reasonable rules around heat use but instead is choosing to ignore you and interfere with your heating system to override it.

Mumskisail · 05/01/2023 11:09

There is an agreement but it doesn't go into any detail about heating and bills, it just says inclusive. I will definitely add something into any future contracts.

OP posts:
Notcontent · 05/01/2023 11:11

I think some people are being a bit harsh! Yes, it is very annoying that he is doing this - but if he is an ok lodger otherwise then I would try to resolve this in some other way. E.g. ask him to pay a bit extra in winter to cover the additional cost.

Calphurnia88 · 05/01/2023 11:12

I would offer him an ultimatum - an increase in rent on account of higher utilities costs, or move out.

This brings back memories of a former housemate who used an electric heater in her own room but apparently didn't own trousers or anything with sleeves.

unclebuck · 05/01/2023 11:13

I grew up in the tropics and like it HOT and that would be too warm for me at night! Madness. Across the world the temperature of a house at night considered optimal for sleep is 18-20degrees. Get rid of the spendthrift idiot!

ButterflyOil · 05/01/2023 11:13

I’d give him the option to either pay extra for the amount of fuel he wants to use over and above what is reasonable or to agree it’s not working and give him notice. If it’s possible to get it drawn up into a new contract that would be good too.

wheelywheelynice · 05/01/2023 11:14

I would give him notice as I couldn't live with someone who disrespected me and my house, and having my sleep disturbed would be the last straw

maddy68 · 05/01/2023 11:14

Some people are colder. You won't be reducing the tent for the lodger that's turning it down !

Some rooms are colder than others too

Just say you will be keeping the thermostat at 20. Degrees. Compromise (I would be freezing below that!). If he wants a heater for his room teh fine but you will have to charge him additional heating costs

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 05/01/2023 11:15

Increase his rent or ask him to leave.

SnowdroppersUnite · 05/01/2023 11:17

Temperature aside, he keeps lying to you about what he's doing to your radiators. Pulling out the pin with pliers indeed!

Time to hom to go, for the lying and the risk of damaging property.

DadsPOV · 05/01/2023 11:18

It is probably not reasonable to dictate the temperature in "his" room. But, given the rise in the cost of Gas and Electric, it is quite reasonable to put his rent up.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 05/01/2023 11:18

He isn't an 'otherwise OK lodger". He has shown that he is prepared to fiddle with, damage OPs property to get his own way. He has lied, deliberately deceived OP and is causing her and the other lodger sleeping issues.

I have no idea why you have put up with this. Pop him out and properly vet the next one.

Mumskisail · 05/01/2023 11:19

I have told him the heating will be set to 21 degrees in his room for the hours I mentioned but if he wants to talk about it to let me know. What annoys me is the way he handles it because he doesn't come and talk about it but does weird things like taking the TRV off and/or disconnecting it and thinks I won't work it out.

So frustrating as I am happy for him to have his 7 year old son (who is absolutely no trouble) to stay over occasionally and have tried to be calm and friendly in discussing the heating.

OP posts:
EL8888 · 05/01/2023 11:19

Curiosity101 · 05/01/2023 10:42

Have you estimated how much more you expect the cost to be for the additional heating?

Can you work out a new rent rate for him and charge him accordingly when his contract is up? If he wants it warmer than agreed then that's up to him, I get that heating is a contentious subject. And whilst I agree with what you've written and personally I would say I prefer the temperatures and approach you take, I wouldn't want to enforce that on a grown adult who has had a whole lifetime to decide on their own personal preferences.

I wouldn't be out of pocket for it though, so I'd just up the rent at the next opportunity by an amount that will cover the additional heating in winter?

That’s reasonable. Fine if he wants a super warm room, not fine if he wants others like you or the other lodger to pay for it

euff · 05/01/2023 11:21

I would give him his notice. Tampering with your property is not on.

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