Tory voters are hypocrites to complain about the state of the NHS

[Kendodd]

Wtf did they think they were voting for? The Tories have NEVER left the NHS in a better state when they left office than it was in when they came to power.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/tory-voters-believe-government-failed-nhs-education-austerity-poll-suggests-2058898

But like saying labour voters are all for transpeople

one party isn’t going to give you everything you desire

we do deserve what we vote for as a majority, but it’s not as simple as declaring Tory voters are hypocrites

In the same way Labour voters are hypocrites to claim to oppose anti-Semitism I guess. Or possibly, things are a bit more complex than you can understand.

I live in Scotland. Our fully devolved NHS is run by the SNP, not the Conservatives, and it’s a disaster area. In Wales it’s run by Labour. Same result.
So no, I am not a hypocrite, thank you, OP.
Perhaps you could do a little more research before insulting people on MN?

So why is the NHS in exactly the same state in Scotland and Wales OP?

It's worse by pretty much every measure in Labour run Wales

For the millionth time ever, do you really think labour are any better? Their track record in Wales proves not.

Wales is doing worse than England
Scotland is doing marginally better according to the medics I know ( including thinking of moving north )

Since a lot of it is funding and brexit however the devolved governments only have limited influence

No it’s worse in Wales. A lot worse. I had to wait 6 months for a top priority breast scan. Thank goodness there wasn’t an actual tumour.

Agree

Good points except that the majority didn't vote Tory, that we have a Tory government is entirely due to our shitty electoral system.

WatchoRulo - we have a good electoral system. There are other systems with different strengths and weaknesess. It's more nuanced than "I wanted a different government so the system is bad" .

They never seem to answer this. It's easier to simply blame the tories instead of admitting the NHS model does not work anymore.

It's really simple - devolved governments can't magic up the funding that the Tories are withholding.

Tory voters are clueless, generational but the young ones will not put up with the clear lies anymore

Don't bring party politics into the issue with the NHS. The reason for the current problems are the labour shortages caused by the racist Brexit voters who were anti immigration. Remember the tory PM who held the referendum was against Brexit!.

They can raise taxes?

Except, they can. Not using "magic" but by raising taxes. The SNP for example are able to increase the tax burden in Scotland to improve services but choose not to. Presumably because tax rises are just as unpopular there as they are in England.

Well even without first past the post you still won’t get everything you want. Mainly because people want opposing things.

Clearly the NHS needs a massive refit to cope with changes in demographics and technology. How any government understands and implements what’s needed whilst ensuring it doesn’t piss all the money away on consultants is tough.

It's really simple - devolved governments can't magic up the funding that the Tories are withholding.

The NHS model needs changing not just more money thrown at it. It doesn't work anymore.

Bless your heart.

It doesn’t matter who you vote for, the politicians always get in.

Plus funding per head is higher anyway isn’t it. So it’s we could raise taxes but prefer not to, just keep increasing funding per head as it’s easier

Luckydip1 - were you one of the racist Remainers who were happy for unlimited migration from majority-White European countries but wanted controls on migration from majority-Black countries?

Another day another “Tory bashing thread” I can’t wait till Labour are in power 😂 you just wait and see this wonderful magic government you think you’ll get!

Of course it is, silly me. Nothing to do with mismanagement whatsoever.

There's a myriad of problems with the NHS, it's not all down to the evil Tories

I worked in the NHS for over 30 years, starting in 1972, it went downhill,long before Brexit. Up to the 80s, managers were nursing staff who had worked their way up through the ranks. It was like the military, even down to discipline. A colleague in the late 80s was put on a charge, because her navy blue cardigan had faded and wasn't the correct shade. 10 years ago I was given a written warning and disciplinary, for being off sick 3 times in a year. (Once was an operation,pre booked and they had been notified of) I saw many years of unnecessary waste,staff shortages, overstaffing, health tourism. Money being thrown at it,is not the answer.