Tory voters are hypocrites to complain about the state of the NHS

[Kendodd]

Wtf did they think they were voting for? The Tories have NEVER left the NHS in a better state when they left office than it was in when they came to power.

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That Tory PM held the referendum despite the fact that his government only had minority support. Most people didn't vote for a referendum - it was only held because the Tories were (and still are) split on the issue - like the 1975 referendum, it was for the benefit of a political party, not us.

Why don't the people who are so keen for the NHS to switch to an insurance-based model just take up their own private health insurance if they think that sort of thing's so brilliant, and free up NHS resources for the rest of us?

What’s private health insurance in the U.K. got to do with insurance based models of healthcare in other countries?

I'm guessing you don't need reminding that it was labour.

Did I say I support labour anywhere in my post? That's your assumption.

But you can't deny that the tories have been far more damaging to public services than Labour have, even to the police who are the 'military wing' of the govt.

Most people I know who moan a lot don't tend to vote :(
It's off topic , but my son has had a few health issues over Christmas and went to a and e yesterday and was seen by a GP in less than two hours. 111 were also good too
I know it's not been like this for everyone and the system is broken, but I was impressed with his general care he received when we expected it to be much worse. This wasn't for anything life threatening though tbf.
We all agree it needs an over haul, but that is easier said than done

I'm not a Tory voter, but good luck finding a party to vote for which does everything you want, with whose policies you 100% agree, and who achieves everything they say they are going to do. I expect you could point at people who voted for any party who won an election and call them hypocrites for complaining about something when their chosen party managed it badly.

Yy they are hypocrites but then again maybe they just don't care about the NHS because if they did, they'd never vote Tory. They can't have failed to notice that the Tories give massive contracts to their friends (billions of pounds siphoned off from the NHS for failed contracts whilst their friends get rich).
They'll rush on here to blame the SNP and Labour because they think shouting is the same as facts. The Financial Times had a great, easy to understand article about how the Tories have decimated the NHS.
Obviously the Tory apologees won't read it or can't understand it.
The Impact of the Conservatives Austerity

I thought so

Watchorulo - OK, so a minority government of any colour is bad ... and your solution is introducing PR?

Private healthcare can't give you emergency services access.

Lots of services they offer still require an NHS referral.

So is it terrible or is it one of the best systems in the world?

Can the Tories claim responsibility for it being one of the best systems in the world if they're taking responsibility for delays and strikes?

The majority of 1 million staff who work in and manage the NHS are left wing but it's conservative voters that are the reason the left wing staff can't run it?

It's a very useful excuse isn't it? The left wing employees aren't ever bad at the job, it's the conservative voters fault.

Not falling for it.

I do have private health insurance, thank you. I also paid for fully private maternity care, twice. As do plenty of other people.

So much has changed since the NHS was set up that make it pretty much impossible for it to continue to run in the same way. A few examples:

• the pressure put on services due to “man made” health issues (smoking, alcohol, obesity to name a few)
• Significantly longer life expectancy, but requirements for more medical care alongside that
• change in social/cultural norms that mean families no longer care for their aging relatives in the same way (either through choice or necessity, like needing to work FT). This along with an ageing population results in the pressures we see in social care and that has a huge knock on impact.
• medical advancements meaning we actually treat more conditions and those treatments are often very expensive.

I don’t have any of the answers to this, but just blaming the Tory government misses a lot of other points.

But it all still comes down to the share of the pie from Westminster. Any way you slice it its ultimately the tory shitshow.
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Good luck getting private health insurance when you're elderly.

I know people will excuse Labour anything for some reason but generally they have higher funding per head and they could raise taxes.

It’s odd how people keep voting Labour and when it’s bad but don’t hold them accountable in any way.

Yep, I remember all of this very well and my mother experienced many of the same benefits. I was at school and everything was dilapidated and shitty, using manky old textbooks etc and tired facilities. Post-1997 everything about my education improved so much. My family had to have a number of operations and health procedures and they waited at best like 4 months, and usually not even that. When I was older, I received EMA while at college, which really helped when my family weren't well off and couldn't give me any allowance or disposable income.

Meanwhile, these days, I've just waited 48 weeks for a gynae appointment, in terrible pain. My mother couldn't get a follow up appointment for 2 months after having a stroke. It's not rocket science. Yes, the NHS does need reform and social care needs huge investment. But we spend a low amount of our GDP compared to similar European countries and there is no getting away from that. The neoliberal dogma of the last 12 years is coming home to roost.

The Tory pandering on this thread is something else. The British public are turkeys voting for Christmas, and deserve everything they get. The trouble is, those like us who didn't vote for it, also end up getting shafted.

I said, it's very efficient and best value for money. This isn't to say improvements can't always be made and looked for. We need a system with some slack in it though. How introducing a whole layer of expensive admin collecting payments from patents (if its anything like prescription charges, most of whom will be exempt anyway) will save money, I don't know.

I have private health insurance but you still need an NHS referral for the vast majority of conditions.

And private health insurance doesn’t (in the UK) cover emergency care.

Private healthcare is shit as well and NHS doctors are far better at managing many conditions. The problem is the NHS is the gateway for almost everything and when that breaks down the private system doesn’t work either.

I beg to differ, my experience of Scotland’s NHS over the last few years has been perfect. From inpatient care, O/P, paediatric’s for DD and end of life care for my DF as well
as specialist cancer care ongoing for DM have been delivered timely and professionally.
My dd and I take life long medication which of course is free at source , although as as tax payer comes from that.
It is way too simplistic to dismiss an enormous organisation in one sweeping statement.
Its a bit like saying saying Australia is shit because of shark attacks.

PFI was brought in by the Tories under Major. It was stupid of Blair / Brown to expand it. Having said that - waiting times shrank dramatically under Blair and I'm no fan.

Looking at the votes on this thread I'm hopeful that you will have a hung parliament next time. A chance to dump the hopelessly corrupt system that leaves 60% of the people disenfranchised forever.

Statistically, the Scottish NHS is performing better than England.

Well this applies here too. Last time I needed a GP I got an appointment faster than private option. Same day v 2 to 3 days.

Haha! But er...Kenya isn't in the EU? Don't they do geography O levels anymore...