Tory voters are hypocrites to complain about the state of the NHS

[Kendodd]

Wtf did they think they were voting for? The Tories have NEVER left the NHS in a better state when they left office than it was in when they came to power.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/tory-voters-believe-government-failed-nhs-education-austerity-poll-suggests-2058898

OP, I agree with you but as you can already see by some posts, people prefer to reflect, justify and find all kind of excuses why the NHS is on its knees after more than a decade of Tory government.

It's not just the UK. There is a war globally between conservative governments doing everything in their power to privatise the last bastions of public human rights for all - health and education. The UK conservative government has been underfunding the NHS so badly, people can no longer have a minimum of primary care - a face to face appointment with a GP within 3 days, call an ambulance or or be attended in A&E within a reasonable time.

And yet, people keep voting for them. Countries deserve the governments they elect.

@Nannyfannybanny I've never understood why they can't stop health tourism?

Tories and Brexit voters have a lot to answer for.

Haha. Apart from the woeful policies they’ve stated so far - hopefully just dropped - me too.

That would be the same problem with a Labour government though.

Same reasons. We keep electing governments who don't believe in the public sector (for anything). So they don't invest in jobs for admin or enforcement - we could have a lot of extra Police, Border Force etc employees - this would save money in the long run, but this government is all about destroying public services as much as they can for ideological reasons (and greed where they can cash in).

It's not that simple though, is it?

In devolved nations, the funding for the NHS still comes from Westminster so successive tory govts have consistently run it down by significant underfunding across the UK.

It's no secret the tories want to eradicate NHS services so they can sell it off to private providers who charge more, provide less and don't offer the same quality of care as their motivation is profit.

Cherry-picking issues when you're voting for a party doesn't work because all of their policies come with them, not just the ones you like/vote for.

So yes, Tory voters do need to bear responsibility.

Use your vote wisely.

Correct and the system isn't any less shitty when we have a Labour government. We need PR like the majority of the democratic world.

This is such a simplistic point of view and this Fuck the Tories mindset has stood in the way of us thinking clearly about the NHS for decades.

I have never and will never vote Tory and I think the way they have starved the NHS and social care of cash is shocking. But I also think it’s incredibly naive to believe that saving the NHS is simply a question of pouring money into it without asking difficult questions about what it is supposed to be for.

I've missed the Tory and Brexit voter bashing threads over Christmas 🎄

Happy New Year!

Alondra - you're quite the drama queen aren't you? Explain the state of the NHS in Scotland. Or is that not part of your preferred narrative?

Watchrulo - so you want a system that will give more representation to the Far Right. OK, just be up front about it.

Yanbu. But they aren't the brightest so won't have had the foresight.

It absolutely is. Also scotland here. The fb plea from various Scottish health boards for ANY staff not working over festive period to please please go in was dreadful. Both for guilt trip and the fact they posted on fb!!

Wales isn’t doing too well so do you apply same to Labour voters there?

Willyoujustbequiet - not the sharpest tool in the box are you?

Politics of division at its finest again

This sort of mud slinging is why the country will remain screwed.

Pitting people against each other, and just slinging insults at the other side, never created anything worthwhile

If you think things are bad now, Labour would make things ten times worse, they have always been a joke, that is why they rarely stay in power for long.

Labour was the govt that brought in back door privatisation and PFI.

so I don’t have and confidence in them either.

The nhs model doesn't work because we don't put in enough £££ per person for either health or social care. Whether we make the nhs work or change to à private model of healthcare all but those who are on the lowest incomes are going to have to pay more for their healthcare (and if we go for a private model then those who won't /can't will just have lesser healthcare).

We have a two tier education and health system but this is not because of the Tory party, the Labour Party is just as much to blame.

The NHS has always been awful.

Under Labour there were repeated maternity healthcare scandals such as Northwick Park, Morecambe and Shrewsbury. There was also horrifying neglect like this:
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2009/mar/24/neglect-nhs-learning-disabilities. Every winter the headlines were NHS in crisis/at breaking point.

Anecdotally, every person I know who has had NHS care has horror stories of either enduring themselves or seeing others suffering from misdiagnosis, poor care, wrong care, mistakes, neglect and so on stretching back decades. I'd give specific examples but I wouldn't be believed.

The NHS needs full reorganisation and massive performance improvements. Until that's done, it doesn't matter who runs it.

What do you propose? Chuck another billion at them? The whole service needs an overhaul. The highest level of management isn't fit for purpose and hasn't been for an incredibly long time.

I can't see how Labour would fix that.

You’ve summed up my complex feelings on this.

the NHS is obviously in crisis. DS has just started in med school, and having nurse and doctor friends DH and I were trying to talk him out of it. I would never have thought I’d be doing that.

I am an ‘expat brat’ and grew up in countries in Europe and Asia, spent 5 years in Scotland, and been back in the U.K. for the last 25 years. I’ve experienced lots of different healthcare models.

I have never voted Tory either. And find it slightly depressing to have to start any debate with that in this current climate. And it is also depressing when any debate about the NHS disintegrates into simplistic mud slinging. How can we affect change when it seems to be about insulting different points of view, rather than trying to work together for the common good?

I teach 6 year olds, and they tolerate different points of view with more respect.

What a fucking ridiculous stretch. Are people really this deluded?
The greens get a lot of support in elections but only one seat.
The Lib Dems have the same issue.
There's not much support for Far Right parties but no-one's vote should be ignored.