To have questions about sex/gender

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N/C for obvious reasons as likely to get called transphobic but genuinely just confused & want to understand.

I'm a cis woman & therefore clearly have no understanding of what it feels like to be trans & it's hard to have a conversation with people about it. Firstly, I don't think trans people should have to put in the emotional labour to explain (but equally I don't know how you get to understand without having conversations) and secondly, having questions inevitably gets you labelled as a bigot.

I've never questioned what it feels like to be a woman. I just feel like me & I've never thought that how I feel is defined by my sex. I like things that are stereotypically male pursuits & dislike things that are stereotypically female pursuits (and equally vice versa). I'm bisexual so don't fit the "norm" in that respect either.

I feel like wanting to change your gender plays into the gender stereotypes moreso than if you just lived how you wanted to live (wore what you want, liked what you want etc). If there's no intention of ever fully transitioning (I know people that aren't) then I don't understand why you need to say you're the opposite gender. Surely you're just you?!

I know several trans people and obviously respect their pronouns and treat them with the same respect and kindness I would anyone I know. Regardless of the fact I don't understand.

No. It is a female sports team for a certain age group.

I think it is really important to never exclude a female from their sport unless they are taking testosterone, or other performance enhancing drugs.

Sport is usually about categorisation and finding the best person/team for that category. The female category exists because it is harmful for females to compete with males- many times physically, always harmful through for females missing out on opportunities.

And let’s face it, I can attest that negative sexist discrimination still exists in children’s sport. How many clubs at junior level or schools ensure that females have access to the exact opportunities as the males, including professional female mentors. Many try their best, but it is hard to find and maybe not in the club’s control. Even our local junior football club found it hard to get female professional level mentors when we were close to a uni specializing in sports.

But it still happens.

And I am happy to share the rugby research that shows the extra concussive risks for female players. That would also extend to football and it is exacerbated by the extra power of ball kicked by a male. Even a teenaged one.

Sorry, I am trying to say ‘please stop thinking of it as a girls team’!

It is for females. Just females. Of any identity except females who take performance enhancing drugs.

Yes, I get you. You're right @Helleofabore

The whole thing makes me so angry, frustrated and upset (Not them playing in a female team), the notion you can just decide you're saying you're a boy & expecting everyone else to just be OK with that.

I hear you OP.

When the pieces starting to fall into place, the dissonance alarm is very loud.

And sadly all you can do is read read read. And listen listen listen. To all voices. Trans voices and feminists.

And keep doing it.

And don’t lose sight of people’s humanness.

The situation has changes every few months. It has been changing a little quicker now.

Young human females are girls. Teams made up of young human females are girls teams. The word ‘girl’ is not up for grabs.

A lot of us have been where you are and I'm sorry to say that as you learn more about this, you're going to get angrier and angrier that any of this has been allowed to happen.
It's been almost 6 years for me (thanks for radicalising me MN) and it doesn't get any easier to realise just how far down a rabbit hole that the whole western world seems to be.
20 years ago, hell, 10 years ago, who would have thought it would be perfectly fine to lock up a male rapist in a women's prison? And WOMEN (who should know better about how dangerous men can be) will literally argue that it's fine.

What the hell is going on?

I actually think the only way this can be explained is that people within the TRA movement have some serious dirt on some very powerful people - nothing else makes sense on how these people got such a foothold in the first place and no one seems to challenge them!

It must be being pushed from the top down. I'd love to know how it started and who is funding it.
There's no other explanation for how such a small group has been able to basically colonise every movement and western government so quickly.

This will probably have been posted on this thread already but just in case it hasn't -

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

It was a long term effort. I thought the Denton’s report was rather a conspiracy until I read it. And then a year or so ago, a US group released something similar. (Trans law group or something).

Then it made me even more angry because it was all manipulation.

The Denton’s report is still very visible. There are quite a few politically aspiring Scottish males who are in influential positions. They all have a very active interest in campaigning against period poverty, for abortion rights (even when abortion rights are secure they are heavily invested in being involved somehow) and support of prostitute’s welfare (while pushing the sex work positive model). One most recently blocked people entering a room to see a feminist film premiere. One poses on social media with bats and says they will beat women up (just jokes you know!).

These males take roles at university level as ‘women’s officers’ or in local political party committees as women’s officers etc. It is how they were advised to do it years ago and they still are doing it.

Thanks wait!’

Just perfect timing.

Yep. Males taking centre stage at Scottish abortion rights demos. Males undermining feminist groups. Threatening women openly but being applauded (and I don't mean figuratively, I mean literally) by SNP and Green MSP's at Parliament.

Yes nothing quite like a male being in a position of influence over policy decisions or implementations regarding women and girls. In a role set aside for women.

Nothing quite like signaling how good a feminist you are with all your involvement to get into more influential positions.

There's a large number of trans kids at my DD's high school. The sheer volume of them makes me think there's an element of social contagion going on. I'm not saying there aren't some genuine cases at her school but statistically something doesn't add up IMO.

I'm vehemently against surgical intervention pre-adulthood and am glad the tide is turning against this finally.

I just read this article. These are very concerning numbers.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11580657/Number-children-seeking-gender-identity-treatment-risen-two-thirds-two-years.html

Number of children seeking gender identity treatment has risen by two-thirds in less than two years as it emerges 8,000 are on waiting list for NHS clinic

Nearly 8,000 children are on the waiting list for NHS gender identity treatment, official figures have revealed.

The number is a rise of more than two-thirds (67 per cent) in less than two years and comes amid growing concerns from medical experts, parents and politicians.

The youngsters, who were under-18, were in line for an appointment at a controversial NHS clinic after they sought professional help.

They were due to have a first appointment with the Tavistock Clinic’s Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS), which is being closed down in the wake of a damning review.

You can’t have ‘questions’ OP. Its not allowed.

It pains me to see people bending over backwards to use the trans language and accept everything the trans lobby tell them to think and say.

’Cis’ especially makes me retch, I’m not a ‘cis’ woman, I’m a woman. I will not capitulate and use this brainwashing language. Being in Scotland I feel this is doubly important.

A surprisingly balanced article by the Guardian -

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/24/an-explosion-what-is-behind-the-rise-in-girls-questioning-their-gender-identity

Still the ridiculous tropes though - 'like left handedness' and 'suspicion of research into why massive rise' appear as expected.

This link is for anyone who is interested in just how manipulative this movement has been. This was released December 2021. It is a link to a pdf from the TRansgender Law Center about the best messaging tactics to convince people.

I doubt I am the only person who hates to think they are being emotionally manipulated into believing falsity. This pdf shows that the Denton’s report is still being used as a base for updated documents.

static1.squarespace.com/static/5fd0f29d0d626c5fb471be74/t/61b13d00236e2f7f2dbb9a36/1639005441624/Transgender+Youth+and+the+Freedom+to+Be+Ourselves.pdf

This was released last night OP. It might be interesting for others reading along.

Helen Joyce interviewed by Triggernometry