To ask your thoughts on Andrew Tate?

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I went out for dinner recently and all of my nephews aged between 13-26 had a lots of respect for him.

While I agree with a lot of what Andrew Tate says he then has to spoil things with his horrific views on certain topics and I'd go as far as to say some of his points make him dangerous to young men (it concerned me how my nephews really respect him)

What are your thoughts on Andrew Tate?? But also, why do so many respect him in this way when he is so dangerous? Or is it that most people clearly secretly feel this way too?!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

And that would require both men and women to concede that there should be movement from both camps.

I have very little time for JM who, it would seem, has done very little of the stuff she claims she has, and is accused of not fulfilling her half of the bargain with her Patreon supporters, but it's ridiculous to equate her with TR and AT. She doesn't incite hate and violence or nearly sabotage complex rape trials.

I just mean it's the same level of authenticity. People like this don't believe in anything other than identifying and exploiting other people and their insecurities for the purpose of getting their money. They're actors

Such as? Here in the UK and most of the rest of the world, women's work and all caring work is undervalued but we saw during lockdown what happens when it doesn't get done. I think we need a major re-evaluation of our priorities and paid work should be far more flexible. Employers would say that makes their lives harder, planning tricky etc etc. Fair enough. This is where government needs to step in and help.

To that extent, yes, I agree. I'm not on Facebook but from the sound of it a lot of MLM schemes play on this as well. People claiming to have a wonderful life, loads of money, very short family-friendly hours of work, you could have it too! But none of it is real.

Stay at home dads not being seen as cock lodgers.
Removing mother as being the default for staying at home/looking after the children.
Requirements for parental leave to be shared 50/50
The reframing of caring professions to be less female centric.
Stopping thinking of males that want to go in to caring professions as weird, sex offenders or pedophiles.
Stopping the idolisation of wankers and dickheads and stop dating them.

Yes, these are mainly societal but they require women to give something up as well.

That is a very broad brush and covers possibly more than you think or realise.

Not really, it's the basis for selling lots of things. It's just particularly cynical in certain instances

OneTC has put it more eloquently than I but he's another 'messiah' that speaks and debates well but is ultimately another new set of emperors clothes (Jordan Petersen that is, not OneTC)

I don't profess to have any answers but my personal opinion is that we could do with stemming the increase in life dissatisfaction and the lack of fulfillment. I think much of this is rooted in the importance placed on material achievements, markers of status. But there's other stuff like traditional gender roles, which needs nipping in the bud. I'm quite comfortable in my skin but understand why others aren't (of both sexes) and we need to help these people adapt to a changing world. Otherwise people like Jordan Petersen and Andrew Tate start mopping up these people, who are like empty cups looking to be filled. Joe Rogan seems like another one to add to the list of predators. Complete waste of space.

Personally I don't see men being bombarded with 'men = bad'. If you're getting on with your shit, it's really not an issue and many men I know are getting along just fine without feeling castigated or that they no longer fit into this world. There is no 'what it means to be a man' any more than there is a formula to being a woman. The sooner people realise this, the better.

I’d never even heard of him….I asked my husband, he hadn’t either.
goung to ask my 20 year old son when he comes in, if he’s heard of him.

I found this on my reddit recommendations today. It’s beautiful the way Anthony so gently puts Tate in his place.

Mr Tate must be very fragile if he needs to be feared and can't cope if a woman doesn't agree with him!
Does he need to grow a pair or something?

What kind of person wants to be feared fgs? He’s literally like a tiny, angry toddler.

It's the image he presents as much as the stuff he says. He showcases a life of fast cars, beautiful women on tap, ostentatious millionare lifestyle of wealth, jet setting and a don't give a fuck attitude. It's appealing to a lot of younger men.

Andrew Tate isn't just some loser who can't get a date spouting off on the internet about women, nobody would be interested in him if that was all he was. He's a twat but it's a shallow and materialistic world we live in and he's tapped into that on social media sites to project the 'perfect lifestyle'.

Dan Bilzerian V2

Andrew Tate and his ilk are successful because young men are lied to.

They’re told to adopt character traits that are traditionally seen as feminine despite the fact that society finds feminine men off putting.

They then have the indignity of seeing the males that ignored this, who are often bullies, thrive - pulling the most attractive women, rapidly climbing the ladder in the work place etc etc. This, understandably, leaves them very confused and opens the way for grifters like Mr Tate.

Personality disorder?

Ultimately the more women go after wankers and dickheads and wet themselves over bad boys then the more that's what men will be if they see it works.

Tate doesn't just resonate with people in a vacuum, there's lived experiences involved.

What always makes me laugh about incels, red pillers and mgtows is that they say that womens only value is their youth, beauty and fertility. What follows is that a woman is quite likely to be discarded if she loses those .... And that indeed is what many men of a certain type do; swap out wives at 40 or so.

They then tell women that they shouldn't delay having kids for eg building a career..... And should have them young. Which would leave most women without a solid career and earning ability; the same women they tell they will be undesirable, off the cliff, "glowless" and having low sexual market value after 35 (well done say 25) .... And likely to be dumped by any male who's got options.

So "you'll probably be dumped by 40 and that's just nature" ...."but don't build up a career, have kids young which will make that very difficult and make yourself dependant on a man who will probably, like us, see no value in you by the time your kids are leaving school, and replace you with a younger woman .... Which is what all men really want".

Yeeeeeaaaah.

Very good point I agree

He's one of the best textbook cases for NPD you'll find. But these people are often high achievers (Trump/Johnson). It can be easier to achieve when you have no shame or empathy, particularly in such a selfish, materialistic society.

I only heard of him about a month ago lol

I don't like Andrew Tate and the world he presents - misogynistic, materialistic, ignorant but Jordan Peterson is in a different league.
He's an intellectual and his advice to young men (and women) is often sound. Whether you agree with it or not is fine but he's so far removed from the Andrew Tates of this world. Like a pp, I don't understand why he's always seen in the same category.

Unless a woman happened to marry one of the top x % of men, had kids young, got an excellent divorce settlement, and he didn't duck out of child maintenance...... She'd by pretty much by their "policies".

They don't seem to realise most men don't earn that much. That settlements aren't that big. That child maintenance is not that much, that many men evade child maintenance. That many couples have kids outside marriage so no settlement anyway.

They don't realise that mabt divorced and separated men go on to have more children with their next partner, reducing their CM payments.

They don't live in the real world.

*She'd by pretty much fucked by their "policies".