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To ask your thoughts on Andrew Tate?

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bagthoughts · 25/12/2022 09:06

I went out for dinner recently and all of my nephews aged between 13-26 had a lots of respect for him.

While I agree with a lot of what Andrew Tate says he then has to spoil things with his horrific views on certain topics and I'd go as far as to say some of his points make him dangerous to young men (it concerned me how my nephews really respect him)

What are your thoughts on Andrew Tate?? But also, why do so many respect him in this way when he is so dangerous? Or is it that most people clearly secretly feel this way too?!

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BelenaConhamHarter · 25/12/2022 09:33

I heard him described as a role model for young white men who feel as through they're being left behind by society.

He's a bad role model, but nature abhores a vacuum Confused

It would be fabulous if some Andrew Tate / Jordan Peterson type came along who wasn't a dick, and did give this group someone to look up to. I guess sport stars are the closest alternative, but if you don't like sport or get a hard time from the football heroes in school they're not the guys for you.

I think men have had so many role models for so many generations there is still a need for them now.

Christmascracker0 · 25/12/2022 09:34

“If I walk in the club, me and Tristan and twenty-five b*tches, who’s the richest man in the club?… Females are the ultimate status symbol amongst elite players.”

“I go out and f*ck and I come back to her and I don’t care about her and I only love my girl. That’s not cheating, that’s exercise.”

“I was getting on a plane and I could see through the cockpit that a female was the pilot and I took a picture and I said, ‘most women I know can’t even park a car, why is a woman flying my plane?’ and they banned me.”

“If you’re a 55 kilo female, I will pick you up with one hand, by your t*tty.”

“I think the women belong to the man.”

“If we talk about tradition… Traditionally, every single man in history had multiple wives, and there was not a single woman who was celebrated for having multiple husbands. Female promiscuity has always been disgusting and frowned upon.”

“‘Uh, real men cry and women can cry and men can cry, too, there’s nothing wrong with it.’ And there absolutely is something wrong with it… Life as a man is far more difficult than life as a woman.”

“The masculine perspective is you have to understand that life is war. It’s a war for the female you want. It’s a war for the car you want. It’s a war for the money you want. It’s a war for the status. Masculine life is war.

If you’re a man who doesn’t view life as war, you’re going to lose. Society’s expectations of men is much higher than the societal expectations of females.”

Mincespi · 25/12/2022 09:34

Even Andrew Tate doesn’t believe what he gobs off about, look at his own personal life.
Unfortunately he is setting these young boys and men up to fail or even start off in future relationships.
It’s not going to go back to the 1950’s, women are delaying motherhood, focusing on their careers, that will continue to progress and more and more won’t put up with this bollocks.

MrsHamlet · 25/12/2022 09:34

Some of the most appalling things I've heard spouted by teen boys this year have been backed up with "like Andrew Tate says"

bagthoughts · 25/12/2022 09:36

@MrsHamlet completely agree - but there's a bigger issue here, men aged under 25 are following him so do we have a problem on our hands?

Many posters are just getting emotive instead of actually having a discussion about the issue.

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bagthoughts · 25/12/2022 09:37

Mincespi · 25/12/2022 09:34

Even Andrew Tate doesn’t believe what he gobs off about, look at his own personal life.
Unfortunately he is setting these young boys and men up to fail or even start off in future relationships.
It’s not going to go back to the 1950’s, women are delaying motherhood, focusing on their careers, that will continue to progress and more and more won’t put up with this bollocks.

😂 yes but sadly instead waiting for our careers to blossom means more of us end up infertile is the reality (myself included)

So somehow we need to allow careers to blossom but also have babies at a fairly young age, another issue I guess that could be a while other thread

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Grapewrath · 25/12/2022 09:39

He’s awful. Hs does suck young men in though unfortunately. Hopefully most of them will mature and realise he’s an utter knob.

BigMandysBookClub · 25/12/2022 09:40

There are a lot of men out there who are repulsive to women (mainly due to their attitudes, not necessarily how they look) but can't accept they are, so blame the women. They are basically having a little princess strop over not getting what they want ironically. They just need a horse, a pink ballgown and a tiara.

The best thing we can do is teach women to avoid them like the plague and to respect themselves, so at most they only damage their lives.

MrsHamlet · 25/12/2022 09:44

Absolutely we do have a problem on our hands.
He taps into the idea that teen boys are disenfranchised - which they are by the nature of the fact that they live at home and don't have jobs. That's just being a teenager!
I don't shut it down because that plays into the notion that he's right. I'm all for robust discussion 🤣
I told one student that I didn't want misogynistic views spouted in my classroom and was told "that's typical... there's not even a word for hating men." By the time we'd finished our discussion, I got an apology.

Byfleet · 25/12/2022 09:47

OP I am fairly sure that many women would be happy to have children younger if,

  1. Child rearing was properly respected and supported by society with eg. affordable childcare which many other successful countries manage to organise without damaging the economy
  2. Young men thought about parenting too instead of treating it as something they have to be pushed into when they are older
  3. If men truly shared the burden of domestic life and child rearing
bagthoughts · 25/12/2022 09:49

@Byfleet I agree , why I couldn't have children younger and completely agree if those things were reality maybe I would have.

But the reality is I'm now suffering infertility. So people need to be mindful if they wait too long they may never have a child, it's just the sad reality unfortunately

IVF and egg freezing is not 100 percent guarantee as ita glamourised to be

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bagthoughts · 25/12/2022 09:50

@Byfleet also we can't force men to want to be parents. I actually feel many men don't actually care either way but go along with it

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Afterfire · 25/12/2022 09:50

mikeyboo · 25/12/2022 09:12

If your nephews really view him as a role model, someone has failed those young men horrifically.

This.

No one should be giving Andrew Tate any air
time at all. In fact I even wondered if I should reply to this as it’s better to just not entertain any mention of him whatsoever. Disgusting man.

bagthoughts · 25/12/2022 09:51

@MrsHamlet good point.

Though some posters say my nephews have been failed 🙄, as if they're the only ones being influenced by Andrew rate 😂

There's millions of men being infuenced - if it wasn't an issue then your school wouldn't have had to do that so it appears there are millions more boys out there the same

Some posters can think their innocent little darlings would never follow such rot - keep believing that 🙄

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bagthoughts · 25/12/2022 09:52

Oh for Christ's sake this forum is a discussion - just like the many threads aboit many truly awful people on MN, Prince Andrew I could go on and on.

My one thread is not going to make any diffference to Andrew tate 🤣

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OneTC · 25/12/2022 09:53

bagthoughts · 25/12/2022 09:36

@MrsHamlet completely agree - but there's a bigger issue here, men aged under 25 are following him so do we have a problem on our hands?

Many posters are just getting emotive instead of actually having a discussion about the issue.

It's a conversation that's been done to death though. He isn't substantially different from any of the grifters who've gone before. He's Tommy Robinson. He's Jack Monroe. He knows his audience and how to get their money.

MrsHamlet · 25/12/2022 09:54

@bagthoughts I think he's dangerous. But if we don't talk about what he says and why, it just goes unnoticed until it pops up, often in a shocking way.

LaLuz7 · 25/12/2022 09:54

My thoughts on him: 🤡🤢🤮

MrsHamlet · 25/12/2022 09:57

It's not a conversation that has been done to death with teens though. It's the kind of conversation that you have to keep having, as depressing as that is.

MadMadMadamMim · 25/12/2022 09:58

Yes, well. In 1932 the Germans voted the Nazis into power. Lots of British people, including politicians and royals greatly admired Hitler.

History demonstrates that arseholes with extreme views and limited intelligence generate conversations and admiration. Somebody is giving a platform to the Katie Hopkins', the Piers Morgans, the Jeremy Clarksons of this world. Andrew Tate is not someone to be respected. His appeal demonstrates that thick, obnoxious gobshites will always appeal to those who are easily influenced by over-confidence and provocative statements.

Sapphire387 · 25/12/2022 09:58

My 12yo DS says he's an idiot. Very proud of him!

My opinion? I agree with DS, of course.

bagthoughts · 25/12/2022 09:59

@MrsHamlet exactly, but many posters seem to just think he's that disputable their children would never follow which is clearly not the case or else he wouldn't be this popular and have schools informing parents to discourage children following.

I actually find the reaction from many posters quite sad actually the inability to have a mature conversation about a man causing harm to young boys and instead we should just ignore it - as if that will make it go away

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TinfoilTwat · 25/12/2022 10:03

I know 2 things about Andrew Tate:

  1. Loads of teenage boys think he's brilliant.
  2. He is a dangerous influence on teenage boys.

So, as a parent of teenagers I did a bit of googling to find out what's up. Everything I could find out about him was revolting. He's a nasty, violent, racist, misogynist bully. There is literally nothing charming or redeeming about this man. So, I'm left feeling a bit puzzled; why do these teenage boys like him? What appeals to them about him? I genuinely don't understand and I think I need to, because how can you parent your kids through things you have no understanding of? I asked my 14yo son about him and he chuckled and said "oh yeah, he comes up on my feed sometimes. He's funny." My son is generally gently, kind, caring... what is he seeing that's different from what I'm seeing? There's a massive disconnect somewhere and I haven't worked out what it is yet.

bagthoughts · 25/12/2022 10:06

@TinfoilTwat thank you - this is my exact point. We, as adults are clearly missing something here - there is clearly something that is resonating with young men that we are missing and the fact we are choosing to ignore as many posters are, is the most worrying part

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LadyGaGasPokerFace · 25/12/2022 10:06

I only recently realised he was a kid in my class when I was a student Nursery Nurse on placement from college. He always had a serious face on him, never a happy child. I’ve probably got a class photo of his miserable face somewhere in my parents old garage.