To think this is (yet another) bad day for women?

[Livingtothefull]

On the same day that the male perpetrator is jailed for life for the particularly brutal murder of Megan Newborough, the victims of yet another murder in Kettering are named - a nurse and her two young children. A 52-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder.

AIBU to be saddened, sickened and angered by this? Will it ever end, this catalogue of male violence against women and children?

You didn’t have to reply like that. Especially when female leaders are just as likely to start wars as male leaders. 🤨

Such a reply is not only ignorant, it’s sexist. The reasons for the Ukraine wars are rooted in the medieval origins of Russia.

I saw this and was intensely sad. Poor family. Too much death. The man deserves a slow death. No rehabilitation.

Horrible nasty men!

It will be different, just like now is different from 200yrs ago.
The homicide rates are far far lower now than they were 200yrs ago.
Murder is something we as a species need to evolve beyond and that takes a long time.

FFS murder of women by men is just the tip of the iceberg as far as male violence against women is concerned.

And that's before we get to the fact that FEAR of male violence constrains the lives of ALL women to some extent. Ranging from the abused wife who lives in terror of the next beating, right down to all of us who get scared when we sense a man walking too close as we are walking home from the bus stop.

Amen!

That's a fair point. Murders are indeed the tip of the iceberg. But nonetheless I still feel like this speaks about the violent minority rather than the majority of men, and people don't usually make that distinction on here. They just bang on about 'men'.

Given the overrepresentation of men in emergency services/military/police/etc it's actually extremely likely that more than two women have their lives saved by men daily, but nobody's interested in hearing that men save the lives of more women than they take, or that more women are saved by men than vice versa.

I don't really have an issue with the topic in general. It's just seeing the same posters on here again and again always moaning about men. It's like that same colleague that always moans about forriners.

People who dedicate much of their energy to the hating of particular demographics and who are 'overwhelmed' by stuff they read online are usually unhappy individuals.

So, again, how is it racist to say black men are criminals and sexist to say women don't want to work, but not sexist to say men are violent based on murder statistics

REALLY?? You really need this explaining to you?
The entire reason black people are over represented is because of discrimination and prejudice, not because we are inherently more criminal than people with different colour skin.

Women ‘living off men’ is a goady load of shit anyway. The fact the women are pushed to take on the vast majority of unpaid caring work, cannot do anything about the biological fact of being the child bearers and are paid less when they do work is again, due to discrimination.

Crime is not committed by over 90% of black people. 90% of women don’t ‘live off men’.

Men are not violent because they are discriminated against.

Modern humans are 300,000 years old. How long are we talking about? Shall I start holding my breath?

In terms of murder, men are 3x more likely to be murdered than women in general. In addition most men are murdered outside the home by strangers, whereas most women are murdered by male partners, ex partners or family members in their home.

So really, this fear of men at the bus stop is illogical if you are implying women have reason to have more fear than men at the bus stop.

As a woman, you quite literally are safer outside your home than in it if you live with a man.

Thousands of years I’d say. To be quite honest. We are only going to see micro trends in our lifetime. That’s why I and so many simply accept that a certain level of murder and mayhem as part of life. That’s not to say “do nothing” but more that what we do now, our greatgrand-daughters will benefit from. So it’s actually a don’t give up, don’t despair because you see no change in your life, over the long term what we do now does help in the long term.

Biggest cause of violence though is poverty…so that is something that need to be tackled as the current state of the nation is increasing poverty.

Crime is not committed by over 90% of black people. 90% of women don’t ‘live off men’.

And crime isn't committed by over 90% of men. If you think it is you need to do some research.

@TruckerBarbie men commit more violent and sexual crime than women. Towards women and other men. I work in this area, I process crimes every day.

Women want to be able to talk about this fact (you are missing the point that this is a FACT).

Why won't you let them/us do that without coming along and spouting 'but it's not all MENZ!'.

We know it's not all men, but we want to talk about the ones that do.

Violent and sexual crimes are. You need to do some research.

@OlympicProcrastinator
The entire reason black people are over represented is because of discrimination and prejudice, not because we are inherently more criminal than people with different colour skin.

Yes the police and justice system are structurally racist and that accounts for some of the over-representation, but also the fact that minorities are disproportionately kept in poverty and denied life opportunities also increases crime rates (economic oppression).

That's not what you said. Your post suggested that 90% of men are violent.

That doesn’t make an argument to say it’s illogical to fear men at bus stops (so to speak). Male violence to women doesn’t start and end with murder and I think you’d be hard pressed to find a woman who hasn’t been harassed by a stranger outside their home.

What that actually says though, is that everyone - men and women on the whole - should be wary of men. Men are the perpetrators.

@TruckerBarbie no it didn't. Clutching at straws now.

So now we're interested in the 'why'? Not usually the case when discussing men. Many abusers have also grown up in abusive environments.

If it’s ‘bigoted’ to call it male violence, then how do you address it? The men who murder, rape, assault don’t share any one characteristic other than being male. If the only defining factor that sets this group from humans on the whole is being male then we need to name it to be able to look at why it’s happening and how we can put an end to it.

1 in 3 of 50% of the population is subject to domestic abuse by the other 50%. We are not talking a small minority of the population, we are talking millions (approx 10 million women in UK). The tip of this very large iceberg is murder but there are many lesser crimes such as the fractured left ring finger my early 20s self suffered and my mother's broken nose.

Shame on society for not reporting all these crimes for what they are - hate crimes by men against women. Until that happens it will not become unacceptable socially to perpetrate these crimes and it will continue. I do feel hopeful that I will see these changes to reporting in my lifetime as we are having more conversations like this.

So why did you say '90% of women don’t ‘live off men’?

"That’s why I and so many simply accept that a certain level of murder and mayhem as part of life."
Try telling that to the families of the multiple women who have been murdered by partners or exes, who had already been let down by the police and judicial system when trying to get help. MVAWG isn't taken seriously.
Violent porn is seen of as acceptable. It's all part of a culture that legitimises male violence.

And crime isn't committed by over 90% of men. If you think it is you need to do some research

VIOLENT crime is. Which is the point of the thread. I am very well researched in this thanks.

If you think saying ‘black men are criminals’ is in any way an acceptable thing to say and somehow comparable to ‘men are responsible for over 90% of violent crimes’ then you need help.

@TruckerBarbie I didn't say that.