To think this is (yet another) bad day for women?

[Livingtothefull]

On the same day that the male perpetrator is jailed for life for the particularly brutal murder of Megan Newborough, the victims of yet another murder in Kettering are named - a nurse and her two young children. A 52-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder.

AIBU to be saddened, sickened and angered by this? Will it ever end, this catalogue of male violence against women and children?

Well said.

Recent figures show 93% percent of killers convicted of murder and manslaughter between March 2018 and March 2020 were men.

@TruckerBarbie you need to,stop spouting garbage

It speaks about the nature of the 104 murderers, not the 99.99999% of men that don't murder.

we're talking about % of male murderers versus female murderers, not the fact most people don't murder.

Murder is a male dominated crime, massively so. Stop being an apologist for the horrendous male crime of murder.

I respond by saying I think the main thing they’ll think is barbaric in 200 years’ time is that on average, 2 women a week are murdered by their partners or ex-partners in the UK. It’s barbaric now, but we accept it as “normal.”

I think it's optimistic to think it will be different in 200 years.

Standard. I expected no less. But it does really amaze me that people can be so myopic.

Waaaay more than 0.0003% of the male population have criminal records and black people are 'over represented at every stage of the criminal justice system' according to ONS figures.

More than 0.0003% of women live off a man and don't work at all. If you're looking at comparative figures then there are far less men doing this than women. We all know this is a fact without even looking at the figures.

So, again, how is it racist to say black men are criminals and sexist to say women don't want to work, but not sexist to say men are violent based on murder statistics?

Call me a racist all day but by your own logic you're also sexist bigots. This is why the vast majority of women don't identify with feminism and say things like 'it's gone too far' and 'has problems with man hating' when asked for reasons.

It's time to take a long hard look at yourself when you're attacking somebody for pointing out sexism. Or should we only call out sexism when it's directed at women?

Of course we are reminded that one of the rules of misogyny is that talking about male violence makes men look bad.

It's still sexism even if you've got 'reasons'. It's like all the people moaning about 'forinners taking all the jobs'.

The problem isn't pointing out that men are more violent than women. It's when you start bashing on men in general. At this point it's no different than the racist above. Just because 'everybody else on here does it' doesn't change anything. It's amazing that people so invested in political correctness can't see this.

Many men that don't murder exercise power over women as their right. Just look at some of the threads on here.

Earlier in the week, there was the man who had locked the thermostat in the house at 17 degrees and told his wife she couldn't have the code. An adult in her own home.

The man who would not let his wife and DC into their house for 1.5 hours, as he was on a work call, the DD had to go to the toilet in the garden.

The man who decided that he was too important to carry a house key and his wife must be available to let him into the house at all times, despite her working FT outside the home.

Numerous 'good', 'nice' men see it as their right to dominate the women in their lives and that extends to killing them in some cases if they 'deserve' it.

We have a very low bar for men. I think you can happily see yourself as a 'good guy' if you've never murdered anyone or raped a stranger.

Earlier in the week, there was the man who had locked the thermostat in the house at 17 degrees and told his wife she couldn't have the code. An adult in her own home.

This is exactly the sort of thing my mother would do. My father still has to use the guest profile on their pc as she won't let him log in.

The men in the gun lobby in the US who must have an arsenal of weapons to protect their families. No, you muppet, you've just armed the person overwhelmingly most likely to murder your wife.

@TruckerBarbie uh huh. 😂

Until there are actual consequences for all types of male violence, condemnation and non-acceptance by all members of society, there will be no end to it imo.

how is sexist to say women don't want to work, but not sexist to say men are violent based on murder statistics?

Let’s pretend that people are saying that and follow your logic to its extreme:

women are lazy
men are violent

Which one do you think is a worse crime against humanity? Laziness or violence?

But that's not how it works. We can't generalise about other groups based on terrorism, violence, etc. So why men?

Discussing the issue is fine. Until you start making generisations about men in general, the vast majority of whom are decent people.

Bring back the death penalty. Then we won't have to feed and house the sub human detritus. No money wasted on "rehabilitation " expensive parole lawyers, their "human rights "
Just give em the long drop.
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I'll wait for the comments telling me I'm barbaric and inhumane 😉

The issue with male on female violence - and I'm very specifically talking about this, not anything else - is that it's well documented to be a patterned behaviour. This means that there are different degrees and the murders are the tip of the iceberg.

For every woman (and child) who is killed by a male, there are many others living in fear of a man. There are then others in slightly less fear, or downplaying the behaviour of a man, but not knowing if he's going to escalate or not.

There is a pattern and in that is a pattern of escalation in male violence against women in their lives. It's not a random act. And I say "women" because the woman who ends up dead is rarely the only woman who has suffered at his hands. But at the same time, it's true that not only are not all men violent, but that not all men who are violent against the women in their life go on to kill. Trouble is stopping/catching the latter before they get a chance to ruin the woman's life completely or end it.

It's not generalising to say men commit the most violent and sexual crime - towards women and other men. It's fact.

How is it so fucking difficult for women to discuss this FACT without the NAMALT brigade showing up. Start your own thread.

yep it’s male on female violence that is the problem

the direct impact on those women who are killed/raped/abused, the indirect impact on those people who loved and cared for those women and then the wider societal impact on women and girls who curtail their lives in a thousand small ways to try and manage or minimise the risk of male violence

In most gun owning families, everyone over the age of 10 owns at least one gun. It’s not just a “man” thing in the USA. Too, often the man will pick, buy and register a gun in his name that is for his wife/partner to carry. So the registration % don’t tell the whole story. That was the case with most American families we met. Similar to keeping the family cars maintained was a blue task, so was taking care of the family guns a blue task. In addition, the biggest issue with the USA is that most guns are not registered due to the laxity of gun control over second hand sales.

But that's not how it works. We can't generalise about other groups based on terrorism, violence, etc. So why men?

What are you talking about? People generalise about women all the time.

So again, if women are lazier than men and men are more violent than women, then which one is worse?

Only a few posts in and the male apologists arrive like herpes. There’ll always be violence against women as long as their cheerleaders are waving their Pom poms.
poor menz (weep weep).

My 6 year old asked me to explain the reason behind the Ukraine war. I had to reply that wars happen in the world because MEN ARE IN CHARGE. I stand by it, bloody psychopaths!

@Onnabugeisha ...and yet the women (I won't include the children sadly) manage not to murder a load of people when things don't go their way.

I'm not really sure what your point is.