to believe H&M because of defamation laws?

[Shejustwentthere]

I've watched the full series on Harry and Meghan.
A few things have struck me.
The most important thing is that there are defamation laws in England. Damage to your reputation is grounds for pursuing such a case. That no such case has yet been initiated by William or Kate, suggests that there is truth in Harry and Meghan's version of events.
Meghan comes across as very vulnerable but very real. She also comes across as very much in love still; as does Harry.
I admire Harry for his decision to leave. I do buy his logic; if the tax payer had even 1% of a contribution to their lives financially, the media could then claim a public interest.
Harry comes across as incredibly intelligent. He has always been touted as the dumb one. He seems to be very much more than some dumb guy.
He adores Meghan and that seems to be reciprocated. She gave him an out.

Harry is very much is mother's son. Diana would have supported Meghan I think. I think they were kindred spirits (Diana and Harry) in a way. Pawns in the game where the king and queen reign...

Can we play a game of 'Spot the Brit'?

Maybe in the UK but not the US, which is where H and M are making the statements.

They’ve not done enough for defamation laws to kick in. They’ve just made ridiculous assertions no one sensible would ever believe:

1. Two brothers get into a spat and shout at each other. Yet we are supposed to believe that Harry found this ‘terrifying’ ? Yeah, sure he did. Decorated soldier finds brother shouting at him ‘terrifying’ 🥱

2. Meghan “thinks” the media caused her to miscarry. Which is bonkers as that’s not how miscarriages work. Not to mention 1 in 3 pregnancies end in miscarriage, with this increasing the older you are. The vast majority of women will have at least 1 miscarriage because biology. What’s in the news about you has fuck all to do with miscarriages and she thinks Brits are stupid enough to believe this Victorian myth. 🤨

3. Meghan is an actress, and she has said that she can “cry on demand” or not cry. You cannot trust any crying or emotions she shows in any interview or in public as authentic. The Netflix thing is just another role for her.

This whole thing is a money maker for them. They’ve run through their millions by living beyond their means in Los Angeles. They’ve been snubbed by the Hollywood A listers, despite trying very hard to impress them by….living beyond their means.

They needed a way to make money and for Netflix to even be interested they had to come up with molehills to make into mountains as the thing that sells now are victim narratives. So an argument with his brother becomes a ‘terrifying’ experience, and her miscarriage becomes something caused by “the media” and she’s the only late 30s woman to ever suffer a miscarriage (I’m so special).

It's not that simple.

I find it interesting how different people are. For some, they watched it and now believe everything they heard as though hearing one perspective without any evidence is enough and now they think they know the truth and others who are more skeptical than ever and don't believe it at all or want evidence or want to hear the other side of the story.

Yes Meghan has no reverence for the monarchy or it’s place in our country.

Meghan is upset that the titles don’t come with an income and they’d actually have to work for any money from the crown. Meghan grew up idolising the British royal family…but she thought it was all glitz and glamour.

She didn’t realise that in comes with dedicating your life to doing royal duties and charity work.

She didn't read fairy tales then lol.

I can relate to this. But what about having some dignity? Harry was brought up with the Queens philosophy of never complain, never explain (if I've got that right).

I dont lower myself to trash talking people I don't get on with. It's so obvious that H&M's whole motivation for this is money and attention.

W&K don't need to sue, their reputation being slagged off doesn't hurt them much. It's not like Johnny Depp losing film roles and income. I expect if the public backed H&M more and were calling to say, abolish the monarchy, a stronger response would have happened.

If you like to call out (or abhor or whatever) liars, how do you feel about these whoppers:

M: the wedding actually happened privately just before the public one…(Archbishop, er no)

and

H: Megan now doesn’t have a father…

?

Anyone who takes that documentary at face value is totally lacking in critical reasoning.

This pair are just wanting to stir up trouble; they are acting like a pair of rebellious teenagers.

The potential claimants (members of the royal family) are based here in the UK, their reputations are most at risk here in the UK and the Netflix statements have also been published here in the UK. There is nothing preventing any member of the royal family that feels they have been libelled or defamed by this documentary from bringing a claim here - in fact I would suggest that England & Wales is a more appropriate jurisdiction than the US. And since English & Welsh libel and defamation laws are stronger for the claimant than US laws (hence libel tourism), a case here would be their preference.

Such as? What? They’ve done nothing but seek the limelight

Go to Los Angeles where there are far more paparazzi than in London
Swan about calling attention to themselves by selling photos of their kids to the highest bidder.
Starting a podcast that is essentially “All about us”
Approaching Netflix to do a “documentary” about themselves

I was disgusted when they complained to the press about the Queen dying inconveniently before he could get to her bedside…and made it out like he’d been the “last to know” and the palace on orders of Charles had delayed contact. It’s such a lie when you look at the timeline of where the RF was…it was largely a case of whoever was closest got there, and those that were much further away didn’t.

They do this constantly, insert themselves every chance they get for any RF event in order to say how hard done by they are. That’s not “doing everything they possible could” to stay away from the press.

Don't you find it interesting though that people watched it and now believe they were victims and it is just everyone else (employees, ex-friends, family, press, public) that are awful and are the problem. Just because that is what Harry and Meghan told them to believe.

In so many of these threads, there is no thinking. Posters just repeat what they heard and take it as fact! As a skeptic, I find it a bit fascinating.

I've watched 5 out of the 6 episodes.

All it has done is strengthen my long held view that the monarchy should be abolished. I want an elected head of state.

Meghan grew up idolising the British royal family…but she thought it was all glitz and glamour.

But at the same time apparently didn't know anything about them until she married Harry. You know, in that big, fuck off, televised ceremony

I’d be much more sympathetic to H and M if after they dropped their duties, they retired to a quiet life. But they have done the opposite. Megan seems to me entitled and self-serving to shit all over an important institution of a foreign country just because it didn’t suit her. And now she’s made it her new source of income. Low move.

To be fair, marrying into that institution cost her her career, her family and almost her life (unless you think that she's lying about feeling suicidal?).

How are they wasting taxpayers’ money?

Given their levels of “recollections may vary” - at this point I wouldn’t believe them if they said the sun rises in the east!

Would you believe a statement from the Palace?

Cost her her family? Are you quite mad? She had little to no contact with her family before she even met Harry.

Her career was fading fast anyway as she was no long young. She’s a decent actress, but only the really good ones hang on past 40 due to the sexist ageism against women in entertainment. So that was a sinking ship.

I doubt the marriage “almost cost her her life” as most everyone “thinks about taking their own life” at some point and isn’t Harry her true love? Would she not have been more depressed and actually more likely to go beyond just idle thoughts into real suicidal feelings if she had not married him? It’s no coincidence her lowest point was when they’d run out of money….which I suppose she blames the monarchy for because she was livid when refusing to do royal duties meant no royal income.

This... 100%. They say they've done the documentary to get "'their" story across. Fine, but why not do it without monetising from the RF?

Do you mean for example like Jason Knauff confirming she perjured herself and bullied staff? Yes, I DO believe them.

Well if H&M wanted to go and get a job and live humbly elsewhere that would be fine. But they're not. They go around speaking on subjects they know little about and selling their personal lives to the highest bidder. Why not just go and work hard do something of value and learn from ordinary people who have never had any privilege or insulation in life.

Whinging and victimhood is not a good look. Hopefully they will move on and do something more worthwhile now that is more worthy of respect - humility and hard work. Maybe just work full time for a charity. You think they will? No me neither. Living in a pityfest isn't a good environment to bring up childre either.

Meghan speaks kindly of Charles (her wedding and him agreeing to walk her up the aisle) and of the one day she spent with the Queen.
Harry also speaks fondly of Charles.

Their issue appears to be with the 'institution' rather than with the individuals.