to believe H&M because of defamation laws?

[Shejustwentthere]

I've watched the full series on Harry and Meghan.
A few things have struck me.
The most important thing is that there are defamation laws in England. Damage to your reputation is grounds for pursuing such a case. That no such case has yet been initiated by William or Kate, suggests that there is truth in Harry and Meghan's version of events.
Meghan comes across as very vulnerable but very real. She also comes across as very much in love still; as does Harry.
I admire Harry for his decision to leave. I do buy his logic; if the tax payer had even 1% of a contribution to their lives financially, the media could then claim a public interest.
Harry comes across as incredibly intelligent. He has always been touted as the dumb one. He seems to be very much more than some dumb guy.
He adores Meghan and that seems to be reciprocated. She gave him an out.

Harry is very much is mother's son. Diana would have supported Meghan I think. I think they were kindred spirits (Diana and Harry) in a way. Pawns in the game where the king and queen reign...

So a photographer is there when they are watching the Oprah interview. A photographer there when they get a text from William. Meghan seemingly forgetting that she had met Beyonce. Do you honestly think that any of it is genuine OP? If so you are very gullible

OP I think your latest insight is interesting. You did have the foresight to see what a nightmare you would be setting yourself up for and knew you would lose yourself.

I think Meghan believed it would be very different, perhaps because Harry misled her, I don't know. To Meghan it was all about the fame and the glamour and so she wasn't prepared the day to day tedium or the harsh reality of being as famous as she thought she wanted to be. I find it very sad. But not surprising.

I am sorry she is unhappy, but I think she is wrong to present their story in such a tone deaf way. It still won't make her happy.

Of course it was extremely difficult to marry into the Royal family for an American woman. It would be extremely difficult for a normal British 'commoner' aswell. I think it's been said that William took so long to marry Kate because he was keen to prepare her for what was to come. And Kate has smashed it out the park to be honest hasn't she? Harry's status was always going to get less and less as time went by as he got further down the line of sucession. And I don't think he could handle that. To criticise the institution but still claim they had no problem with the Queen and even name their child after her makes no sense. She was head of the Royal family and the buck stopped with her. Personally I feel this Netflix series has done Harry and meghan NO favours whatsoever, whether there is any truth in it or not.

I've watched the series and think they come across as credible and genuine. I'm actually really ashamed of the UK press, and I'm ashamed I actually believed some of what was written. I wish them all the best.

I agree the UK press is evil. But we buy the papers so aren't guilt free.

But I still wouldn't trash my family globally - I didn't have a perfect childhood but I still kept it mostly in the family.

I watched it and found it plausible. I have no doubt if I were to watch a similar series from the perspective of the royal family it’d be plausible too.

I find it utterly bizarre that there are people who think there’s a ‘truth’ in this, I can’t imagine what their families are like if they are so black and white they’ve never encountered a difference in perspective. The way I see my late father is very different to the way my sister sees him and different again to the way my brother sees him. None of us are lying. It’s incredible to me that many people have apparently never encountered this sort of nuance.

I feel similarly perplexed by the people who seem to just about froth at the mouth exposing what they see as ‘lies’. It’s so odd to me to invest so much anger, so much emotional energy, in these total strangers. The ‘wedding’ prior to the official day is a good example - it seemed perfectly clear to me that they were describing an emotional commitment that was entirely private and that they saw as being more ‘real’ (emotionally) than the public event but an astonishing number of people are intensely literal and apparently furious that they’re being ‘lied to’ (again…..by strangers they have never and will never meet about a matter that is surely of no consequence to the rest of us). I feel sometimes as though posters must need to wipe their own spittle off the screen after posting, so vitriolic are they about the different perspective of people who mean nothing to them. It’s absolutely extraordinary.

I really wonder how these types cope with the ordinary nuances of relationships and communication in the real world. I wonder also why on earth they continue to engage with strangers they despise.

MissTrip82, I think what people find so, dunno, maybe distasteful about the wedding story is the almost gleeful way it was said -almost like 'see, suckers, £30mil of taxpayers money and it wasn't even our real wedding!' If they'd said they had a few private minutes in the garden saying some meaningful words to each other before the pomp and ceremony of the wedding no-one would have batted an eyelid.

There was a lot of goodwill towards them at the time of the wedding, people were excited, it was a beautiful wedding with dresses and glamour and music and choirs chosen by the couple. To then hear the bride say it was all for show and didn't actually mean anything to them, well, bit rude.

If they hadn't wanted the big glitzy do, I'm pretty sure they could have had a small private wedding if they'd chosen to, nipped down to the registry office, or even not married at all - it's not as if previous royal couples haven't just lived together - Kate and William did for years before they were married.

I certainly don't 'hate' the daft pair. I think they think what they're doing is cathartic but fear they'll find the opposite in the long run. Isn't one thing therapists often suggest is writing a letter to the people you have a grievance with, then not sending it? Harry and Meghan have written the letters time and time again and are mailing them, then publishing the contents to the world. Naive to think people won't have opinions, good and bad.

The whole "She is an actress" (a bit part one at that!) and so can't be believed shows how good a number the royal family have done on the British public. It screams snobbery on behalf of a family that couldn't care less about the public. They won't not respond because they are above all that; they won't respond because they don't need to - they will continue to take taxpayer money to fund their lavish lifestyle and what anybody thinks of them doesn't matter.

Do you all not believe a word that any actress says about their personal lives? Aren't the Royal Family the greatest actors of them all?

So I would only think that an actress might be acting in a documentary because the Royal Family told me to think this?

And not because it's a perfectly reasonable and straightforward connection to make?

Yes that's it, definitely 😁

It screams snobbery on behalf of a family that couldn't care less about the public.

Did Meg and Haz ever care about the public? 🤔

The programme showed how the British public are heavily influenced by the British media, very little critical thinking, just hate for the mixed race actress.
I think they’re a fantastic couple and do a hell of a lot of good. Grenfell showed how genuine and hardworking she was. She didn’t just pop in once for a photo opportunity, she was there week after week.
It highlighted how much institutional racism exists in this country.
I wish them every happiness and think thank god they had the guts to get out.

Actually if you think about it, they have levied very little accusations at the royal family

they have said they were all so jealous of Meghans stardom and ability to do the job that they had staff leak negative stories about her
that William screamed and harry was terrified, that Charles lied and the queen watched passively At one meeting
that they had a little house and Oprah couldn’t believe they had to live somewhere little like that.
royal men married women who fit the mould and not for love, unlike harry
that Kate wasn’t a hugger.
that they advised her not to have her niece at the wedding
that the head of staff refused to get her a therapist when she was suicidal as it looked bad on the family
that they put out a press release saying William wasn’t bullying harry without asking harry.
that their security was being pulled and their lives were at risk due to it and that they had to get out fast and go live for free in oprahs mates house and have him pay for their security

everything else was just vague shit.

in Oprah they went further with the Kate made me cry , they took her passport and held her prisoner. and someone made a comment on babies skin colour.

but there was really very little , it was all petty shit or mis truths and whinging mainly about how they were victims and no one recognised their sacrifice doing the job for 17 months except a pilot who knelt in front of Meghan to thank her for her service

The programme showed how the British public are heavily influenced by the British media, very little critical thinking, just hate for the mixed race actress.

The British public! We think as one now! We all hate a mixed race actress. Every single one of the British public.

I suppose the good outcome of them putting out six hours of their grievances is that we can actually see that this is untrue. The single most divisive thing they have done is take up this anti British position and call the country racist. This has put people off them.

The programmes show that it's unsubstantiated.

It highlighted how much institutional racism exists in this country.

What is institutional racism? As you have said it's highlighted how much there is please also explain what it is?

They are far more trustable than the secretive royals who sweep everything under the carpet and have effectively their own private PR firm to make them sound like the bees knees always

Anyone seen a psychologists explanation of why people get so wrapped up in stranger's lives. What is it? I don't think it happened in the past to this extent.

I guess it started with Diana.

I agree the UK press is evil. But we buy the papers so aren't guilt free.

Speak for yourself

When these two got together I was very much in favour. Meghan seemed bright and articulate, and I thought she would be able to cope with the peculiarities of being royal quite well - including the fact that Harry would inevitably attract less interest as William's children grew up. I also thought it was great to have a mixed race person in the royal family, not least to shake up a few stereotypes.

Sadly all of that changed when they decided to have a strop and walk away, demanding to keep as much as possible of their privileges whilst having none of the responsibilities. And their conduct subsequently, particularly the sheer crassness of all this whining at a time when so many people are genuinely suffering, has been even more disappointing.

So, the thing is, it's too easy to say that attitudes to H and M are all down to racism and nothing else. Sometimes people just behave badly, irrespective of their race. Sometimes other people dislike their conduct, not their race. Refusing to acknowledge that is itself racist.

This couple tried to sue because they had their security stopped (paid for by the British tax payer) , this couple who had a multi million £ wedding (paid for by the British tax payer) this couple given a free home( paid for by the British tax payer) I could go on… they are always going to play the ‘poor me’ card. They will not stop because people keep giving them the airtime, they want privacy, but they really don’t…they don’t want it til they haven’t got it anymore, then it’s about how it was taken away from them…their ‘true love’ story is really about how much money they want, get, deserve, it’s all about the£££££. The RF won’t respond because they have class, something these two human sponges will never have!

@SnowlayRoundabout

Im completely with you. I thought they were both lovely. I can remember my first doubt during an interview M did when she was on tour in South Africa. She made a big point of saying how no one had asked how she was. I can remember thinking “ you’ve employed a whole household to look after your needs, you apparently have a large group of friends who throw you expensive parties and you have a very active social life and none of those people have asked how you are. Your mum hasn’t asked how you are?” I also found it incredibly crass that they started the whole “poor me” narrative when they were in SA meeting victims of some truly heinous crimes. So for me that was the start of my reservations. I was disappointed…. I had set them up as lovely in my mind.

wow aren’t you a KRAZY person

To do with the press, 24 hour rolling news and SM I guess. In the past there was no way of talking about things unless it was over the garden fence or round the tea trolley at work, among a small group of people. Now with SM, you can be talking to hundreds of people on another continent at the push of a button. SM companies are all about content, desperate for content, so they're happy when there's a furore, and most of the sites either aren't moderated or aren't moderated very well.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but allowing people to say what they like with no consequences doesn't make for a happy world. Most of the keyboard warriors will say stuff online they wouldn't dream of saying to someone's face - it's the anonymity that empowers them to say it.

There seems to be an expectation these days that everyone has the right to know everything - fuelled by mostly minor celebrities keeping their star in ascendant by continually creating drama, content and clicks. The Katie Prices and TOWIE types.

The real 'stars', whether that be Hollywood, sports, writers, and yes, the rf etc, keep their personal lives well away from public view, the odd photo, public appearance and snippet of news, especially when they have a new film, book or whatever to promote, but otherwise they keep schtum. They seem to manage it fairly well.

I recall one of rhe journalists during their trip to South Africa. I can’t recall which one but she was a serious and well respected one, saying that before harry did his whole we are suing the media speech and Meghan the crying thank you for asking me stuff, the journalist asked harry as he was going back to the car what their trip objective was and he looked at her angrily and snapped why don’t you ask them (indicating his South African hosts) and got in the car.

they really resented that trip , thoroughly graceless behaviour.

what I can’t grasp is why they still use their titles. Why they are still issuing stuff with the duke and Duchess of Sussex on it. Like their Christmas card.

the complete lack of any decency, them clinging on to the titles so desperately is shocking. I really wouldn’t be surprised if they turn up to the coronation and act all smiley.

Charles is clearly reticent to act as it’s his son, which I get, and no the monarchy won’t be damaged by this, but the public want to see this stopped now and even he must be able to see it’s wrong they are using their titles.

just hate for the mixed race actress.

OK, so all the people lining the route cheering for them on their wedding day hated the mixed race actress? All the members of the British public who sent them cards and gifts for the wedding hated the mixed race actress? All the people who watched the wedding on TV hated the mixed race actress?

The British press can be awful to anyone if they put their mind to it. Catherine had a lot of it before she married William. Camilla too. Like all bullies they pick on the thing they think will hurt the most.

I was so pleased for Harry that he had found a beautiful, independant women to love and love him. I didn't give a shiny one about her heritage. I thought they could do so much good but they were never going to change an institution that has been going for hundreds of years overnight.

It all went downhill for me the minute Meghan inferred that they were already married before the big day. If she had said that the words they exchanged made her feel like they were already married it would have been different. But to have all that money spent on them and not appreciate it was just not on.