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to believe H&M because of defamation laws?

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Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 06:11

I've watched the full series on Harry and Meghan.
A few things have struck me.
The most important thing is that there are defamation laws in England. Damage to your reputation is grounds for pursuing such a case. That no such case has yet been initiated by William or Kate, suggests that there is truth in Harry and Meghan's version of events.
Meghan comes across as very vulnerable but very real. She also comes across as very much in love still; as does Harry.
I admire Harry for his decision to leave. I do buy his logic; if the tax payer had even 1% of a contribution to their lives financially, the media could then claim a public interest.
Harry comes across as incredibly intelligent. He has always been touted as the dumb one. He seems to be very much more than some dumb guy.
He adores Meghan and that seems to be reciprocated. She gave him an out.

Harry is very much is mother's son. Diana would have supported Meghan I think. I think they were kindred spirits (Diana and Harry) in a way. Pawns in the game where the king and queen reign...

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underneaththeash · 16/12/2022 07:50

RambamThankyouMam · 16/12/2022 06:17

They come across as a pair of over-privileged, attention-seeking wastes of space, to be quite frank.

That they do.

yoyy · 16/12/2022 07:50

I don't have a problem with them making money to fund their lifestyle as they see fit, security isn't cheap. I've not watched the doc yet as i'm not particularly interested though.

Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 07:51

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 16/12/2022 07:48

The vitriol haters for Megan is what astounds me, she has been vilified since marrying into the family but apparently she should just shut up and put up and be “British” for the lies, racism and public hatred of her . honestly sometimes people NEED to remember that she’s a not a robot and has feelings.

A woman speaking about enduring such public outrage to the point she felt suicidal becomes her being “weak” it’s absolutely mind blowing! Tbh.

Agreed.

I don't understand the hatred. It's like she stole the son. It's almost like the British (or the posters on MN) feel like they owned Harry and then this divorcee comes in and whips him off.

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LAMPS1 · 16/12/2022 07:51

Watched it and I agree with you OP.

WeWereInParis · 16/12/2022 07:51

Has anyone ever seen George smile when he hasn’t been told to for a photo shoot? He’s the most miserable looking kid ever.

He's a 10(?) year old child - does he need to be criticised for not smiling enough in public? I always thinks he looks more nervous/unsure than miserable, which is understandable given his age and the fact we only see him at more formal events.

And besides, yes I have seen him smile outside of photo shoots, he looked thrilled at that football match they went to.

yoyy · 16/12/2022 07:51

When H & M run out of the Netflix money they’ll be cap in hand to Charles

Perhaps he can with another bag of questionable cash! 😆

DrMarciaFieldstone · 16/12/2022 07:51

I think it was a very real dynamic

this sounds like her nonsense

yoyy · 16/12/2022 07:52

I also feel really sorry for Kate, the fact that so many expect her role to be a non entity. It's 2022, let her have a voice.

electricmoccasins · 16/12/2022 07:53

Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 07:42

That's mental! Piracy? Was that like invasions of ships by pirates?

Engaging in high-seas piracy as a British subject in British waters. So if you owned a boat and robbed another boat, you were committing a capital offence.

Capital punishment would never have been carried out, but it was still enshrined in law until 1998 for those two offences. My A level history teacher in 1997 used to say they’d missed a trick with James Hewitt. Having unlawful carnal knowledge of the future Queen of England i.e. Diana, was an act of high treason. He reckoned they should have sold tickets at Wembley for his execution…. /sarcasm.

HowVeryLikeSibella · 16/12/2022 07:53

I haven't watched the show and am neutral on this. M isn't my cup of tea, but her haters seem weirdly obsessed.

What allegations have been made which would be defamatory unless true OP? I heard that W apparently shouted at H during a row and that "the palace", via unnamed functionaries put out a statement in W&H's names that H hadn't agreed to in advance.

Neither of those would be worth suing over. Is there anything else?

UseAMuckySock · 16/12/2022 07:53

Imthegingerbreadwoman · 16/12/2022 07:50

10 years from now I can see them divorced and a new netflix documentary where she claims Harry abused her and forced her to do the original documentary. Etc etc

It’s funny, I can see interviews in 10 years time from Kate saying about how depressed she was in the royal family and how she was never allowed a voice.

milveycrohn · 16/12/2022 07:53

"They’ll be divorced by then. Harry back with his tail between his legs. And Meghan moves on with the showbiz now that people actually know her."

They will never divorce.
They really can't after their wonderful and amazing love story, etc.
Also, for the sake of the children, I hope they remain in Love and together, etc.
If things turn sour, then they have a 14 bathroomed mansion to live almost separate lives, so need for divorce in the future anyway.

flapjackfairy · 16/12/2022 07:54

it is simple to me in that anyone who has fallen out and alienated both maternal and paternal sides of her birth family and then manages to fall.out with all members of the family she marries into should be taking a good hard look at themselves to work out whether they bear any blame whatsoever for the ness. .As it is no responsibility is being accepted for any if it . It is always someone else's fault ( even down to the miscarriage and having no.relatives from her birth family at the wedding).
And before someone points out how dysfunctional.her family are there seems to be decent ones amongst them.who.were close to.M before she met H but who were also.excluded.
It is all smoke and mirrors to.present themselves as hard done to saviours who have overcome all adversity to change the world.

piedbeauty · 16/12/2022 07:54

To be fair, marrying into that institution cost her her career, her family and almost her life (unless you think that she's lying about feeling suicidal?).

She might have been. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Wouldn't put it past her. Re her career, she could pick that up again now if she wanted. And her family?! Didn't she fuck up her own relationships with them? Nothing to do with the RF!

electricmoccasins · 16/12/2022 07:55

What I learned from the Netflix series is that Harry often doesn’t know what day it is. Literally.

Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 07:55

I want to live long enough to watch Louis grow up. He strikes me as the rebel of the family.

www.tiktok.com/@princesacharlotte_fans/video/7118139858303945989?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1&q=prince%20louis&t=1671177199032

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yoyy · 16/12/2022 07:55

@BeIaLugosisDead I agree that should all fuck off. Just find it bizarre that the Queen would be more upset by Harrys whinging as opposed to Andrews legal battle & associations.

Unifolorn · 16/12/2022 07:55

Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 07:48

I wouldn't be arsed studying if I was heir to a fortune either. I am considered by some, to be somewhat of a genius and to be a consummate idiot by others lol.

But he can't recognise his own blinding privilege. Someone else with his poor academic grades wouldn't have been able to do the much desired and highly competitive trade he did in the army. He speaks as if he selflessly served his country, but truth is he was indulged in his wants whilst it upped the risk to others deployed with him and took the training spot from someone who actually deserved it. He only speaks though of the generational trauma and how cruel Charles is to keep control of the families millions'; he never acknowledged or mentions the advantages he has been given by being royal.

torquewench · 16/12/2022 07:56

Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 07:03

To be fair, marrying into that institution cost her her career, her family and almost her life (unless you think that she's lying about feeling suicidal?).

I've watched a clip of them on a theatre balcony, the evening that she'd just told H that she was feeling suicidal. H is looking pensive, pissed off and like he'd rather be anywhere else. M is serene and can't keep a smirk off her face. Her smile just gets bigger and she appears to be lapping up all the attention.

Im not saying she was lying, but, she can't be that good an actor. He was the one looking suicidal, not her.

yoyy · 16/12/2022 07:57

I don't understand the hatred. It's like she stole the son.

this is the bit I find fascinating. I think some do think that, it's like they take Harry's rejection of the institution as a personal rejection.

UseAMuckySock · 16/12/2022 07:57

Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 07:55

I want to live long enough to watch Louis grow up. He strikes me as the rebel of the family.

www.tiktok.com/@princesacharlotte_fans/video/7118139858303945989?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1&q=prince%20louis&t=1671177199032

Yes! Louis is great, he’s the only one with any personality 😂

Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 07:57

electricmoccasins · 16/12/2022 07:55

What I learned from the Netflix series is that Harry often doesn’t know what day it is. Literally.

Haha. I noticed that too!

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Imthegingerbreadwoman · 16/12/2022 07:58

UseAMuckySock · 16/12/2022 07:53

It’s funny, I can see interviews in 10 years time from Kate saying about how depressed she was in the royal family and how she was never allowed a voice.

Maybe! But I doubt it because she went into the family knowing she's not allowed a 'public' opinion on anything. Everyone knows they aren't allowed to voice their opinion. It's quite common knowledge

Orangepolentacake · 16/12/2022 07:58

I don’t even think it’s about leaving public life. Just find something to do other than talk about it. The way they have gone about talking about their experiences didn’t help them. The Oprah interview was made out to be such a huge thing. Then he wrote a book. And there’s a 184783 part Netflix thing. Meanwhile they haven’t done anything else that I can tell. It’s a bit much. There’s telling your truth and then there’s this. Even people who thoroughly don’t care and/or who think that the RF should be abolished, that the concept of royalty itself is ridiculous, etc, are rolling their eyes. If an average person kept on going on and was this fixated about being wronged (yes I do believe she was treated appallingly and that racism is traumatic) they would be told they need therapy and to channel their energy in a more constructive manner than reliving the event.

Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 07:59

UseAMuckySock · 16/12/2022 07:57

Yes! Louis is great, he’s the only one with any personality 😂

I've seen another compilation of him at the jubilee (that same event) but he pulls the girls hair (must be Mike Tindall's daughter?). He's then passed off to Charles lol.

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