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MIL Sleeps over at our house once a week

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TwoBabas · 14/12/2022 16:00

Mother in Law is in her sixties, retired and sadly widowed.. we get along nicely but we are two very different people.

She lives a forty minute drive away but is a nervous driver...wont drive in the dark/ bad weather/uses SATNAV for every trip even when she knows the route for reassurance.
Since my firstborn (daughter) arrived she has been coming over to 'help out' once a week. It was initially a casual arrangement as I wanted her to bond with her grandchildren and for her to feel welcome in our home as I know she has struggled with depression since the death of her husband. She doesn't really have friends/hobbies. At first I thought she would eventually get back on her feet and build a life for herself but that is not happening and now I fear I have dug myself a hole. The issue I have is the length/time/frequency of her visits. She comes over and often doesn't want to drive home so she stays for a night, quiet often two night every single week. She doesn't ask to come on a certain day, it has turned into her texting my husband 'Will come up Thursday next week'... ect. I find it stifling as I cannot make plans to see other mums or attend regular baby groups. I have a 7 month old son now too and she always rocks up when I have finally got him to nap (normally early afternoon) causing our dog to go berserk and wake him up. I have asked her to text me to let me know her arrival time countless times but it just falls on deaf ears.
When she visits my two year old daughter gets very clingy to Grandma and shuns me, wanting Grandma to do everything for her and shouting 'no' at me constantly. Normally me and my daughter are super close and she is well behaved for me and doesn't shout at me like that when we are on our own. I find the dynamic/atmosphere different when Grandma is here and can't fully be myself with my daughter and discipline her the way I would on my own in front of grandma if that makes sense.

Our house only has two bedrooms and daughter has a single trundle bed that can convert to a double so Grandma ends up sharing daughters bed every week. I love their close bond and want her to enjoy a good relationship with grandma but I can't help but feel secretly hurt and like I become a back seat driver with my own daughter in my own home. Id rather she came for the day but go home before dark....... She struggles to get here in the morning as she is 'not a morning person' so that is how she weedles her way in by arriving in the afternoon not leaving much time before dark.

I don't know how to get out of this situation of having MIL staying over a couple of nights a week. Im finding it so stressful having another body in my home every week, someone else to worry about. If Im lucky enough to get both children to nap at the same time I feel obliged to sit and talk when really I want to rest and switch off. I cant get any jobs done. She never helps with cleaning/washing. Just tells me its impossible to have a clean house with two young children, and it 'looks fine' (it doesnt) ect. I end up having to make up her bed up before she arrives/pack it away when she leaves. Which may sound like nit picking but I am honestly so overwhelmed with the workload of a two year old and seven month old that it seems like a major effort to do this every week. I have to wash extra bedsheets/towels. Make extra meals, clean up after her ect.
She would be gutted if she knew I felt this way but I don't think she realises how stressed I feel with two little children, the lack of time to myself and the constant work load. In her mind I genuinely think she feels she is 'helping' but truth be told I find these long visits add to my stress.

She gravitates toward the toddler and its really my son I am struggling with and needing help with. He has been a tricky baby and is very demanding and loud alot of the time. He is frustrated at his lack of movement and it's exhausting. I would like more help with him if anything but she often disappears off out the house with my daughter to a park or cafe leaving me in the house still contending with a screaming baby. My son loves watching his sister play and I find him much easier to look after when they are together so I also feel some resentment when she comes to help but ends up making my job more difficult.

Spoke to husband about this but he feels like he needs to look after his mum and worries about her being alone and depressed and reminds me she is just trying to help ect. Which I know she is and I don't want to be completely ungrateful but I am just be honest. I dont think he would cope well if my mum came to stay over two night a week! I have tried to gently suggest this to make him aware of it but I just don't think he gets it. He is at work for most of him mums visit so it's left to me.

I worry that she is going to keep coming and staying over for a few nights a week for the rest of our life's now her feet are firmly in the door. As I can't see her changing. Also should add that when she is not at our house she also goes and spends a night at her two sisters houses with their husbands/families. Meaning she is only ever at home on her own for one or two nights a week. I don't know how they feel about this as my husband isn't close enough to them to ask.
I feel awful for her and her struggles but what can we do to help her be more comfortable building her own life/being comfortable in her own home? How can I ask her to come earlier and leave before dark as I don't really like the overnight stays. I just feel I can't hurt her feelings.

Sorry for the long rant. AIBU?

OP posts:
BreatheAndFocus · 14/12/2022 22:24

Don’t let her stay overnight. Tell her to come earlier (why’s she rocking up in the afternoon?) and then she can leave in good time before it’s dark. That’s what my DM does.

If your DH wants to look after her, he can but it’s rude of him to just agree with his mum’s demands without considering you. He can pop over and see her by himself.

Dont be too soft. You’re making a rod for your own back. Nip it in the bud now. If you need to make up an excuse, then dump the trundle bed or have a possible visitor so you need to keep it free or whatever.

C8H10N4O2 · 14/12/2022 22:40

Spoke to husband about this but he feels like he needs to look after his mum and worries about her being alone and depressed and reminds me she is just trying to help ect

Well its about time he started doing this " looking after" isn't it? He can drive his mum back in the evening if its too dark for her to drive or can take the kids over to hers for a nice Saturday with DGM each week and then come back in the evening.

If either of those raise so much as an eyebrow then ask him exactly what he thinks he is doing to help as dumping the problem on you isn't "him" helping anyway. He could at least deal with the laundry.

Its good for the children to have a healthy relationship with their grandparents. Not so much for you to provide hotel services and occupational therapy every week for someone who is still working age. It may also not be healthy for her if its an avoidance of building up her own life again. You need to find a more balanced position, which may be a day time only visit every week or so with DH doing weekend visits to DGM

Worstdilhesaid · 14/12/2022 22:58

This needs to end. No one needs twice weekly overnight stays in order to build a bond, bond is about quality not quantity. My beloved late granny was my absolute best friend. She lived quite far away so I only saw her about 4 x a year, but we had an amazing bond right to the end.

Granny bring there might be nice for your DD atm but it's clearly creating tension and stress and for a good reason! Being a mum of two little ones is hard work and you need your own privacy and space to relax. What your DD needs is a happy family and a happy mum, she can visit Granny and granny can visit you, but clearly these overnight stays need to stop.

Stopthebusplease · 14/12/2022 23:07

Could you perhaps say 'we'll be moving little one in with his DS in the New Year MIL, so obviously staying then will be out of the question, as we wouldn't want you on the settee at your age/ it's very uncomfortable/ some other reason it's not feasible, so can I suggest that you either come earlier in the day when you visit, so you can still drive yourself home before it gets dark, or perhaps we can come and visit you once a week instead." If she says 'I'll be fine on the settee', just say 'oh no, I wouldn't dream of it, it really isn't suitable for sleeping on!' This way, she has a choice she can either come and visit earlier in the day, or else be the one to entertain you and the kids.

Also, can I ask, is there any reason why she couldn't get a part time job, assuming she isn't working currently, as that would be a great way for her to get out and meet new people, earn herself some extra spending money, and fill her days, so that she's too busy catching up on her own housework etc, or too tired to want to go out visiting all the time. If you wanted to encourage her with that, you could suggest that it might be a good idea, as with the cost of living, etc.

lanthanum · 14/12/2022 23:07

Use (and make) changes to your lives as reasons to change her part.

DS moving into DD's room - staying over won't be possible any more.
New bedtime routine - need to be doing the same every night to get it established, so visitors will have to leave straight after dinnertime.
Joining some toddler groups - visits will have to be on Thursdays from now on.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 15/12/2022 00:11

I'd suck it up for a few months and then move the baby into your daughters room once the evenings get brighter. Things change. She needs to drive home now or stay in a hotel.

Have had a similar. Long term it did nothing for the relationship with my second child. No1 is clearly the favourite and no 2 can do nothing right.

And start making plans. " you are v welcome but I'm booked into baby sensory or whatever with both children. We'll see you later. "

SleepingStandingUp · 15/12/2022 00:17

I'm unclear on what your husbands physical limitations are as he seemingly isn't able to help you around the house?? Is it just the size of his penis - not large enough perhaps?

I end up having to make up her bed up before she arrives/pack it away when she leaves.... . I have to wash extra bedsheets/towels. Make extra meals, clean up after her ect.

converseandjeans · 15/12/2022 00:41

Tell DH he must divert all MIL's visits to weekends when he's around to look after her. MIL can help him make a meal; he can take her out with the baby etc.

Agree with this. Leave him to it - also get him to make bed up.

Move DS into DD room & get her new single bed.

Go for nap when kids are sleeping.

Make plans with friends.

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/12/2022 02:53

It sounds as if you need to take control of the situation. It is beyond rude for your dh and mil to commandeer your time. This is treating you like a commodity and servant.

You’ve had some good suggestions. Just a few of my thoughts. If your mil lives 40 mins away, your dh could collect her one evening and take her home the next. Or as it is such a short journey, she could take a taxi over and your dh drive her home in the evening.

Tbh I would rather put a stop to the visiting or curb it to monthly and go to see your mil once a fortnight at your convenience. Your dh could then take the kids once a fortnight at the weekend to see her and give you a break.

I’d have a chat with her about how things are going to change now your ds will shortly be moving in dd’s room. You could really big this up and get your mil super busy buying some toys and supplies to kit out her house for the visits. Ooh wouldn’t that be lots of fun?! Type of idea. That way she is busy shopping for her house, making food for you and so forth. You then just hopefully have to do the drive and will be left more refreshed if your dh goes over with the children. Is that possible? Or are you breastfeeding?

The most important thing to emphasise in an empathetic way is that she is to communicate with you from now on. To discuss visits as you need to make friends and connections with other mums. Tell her you’re feeling isolated and much as her visits are lovely for your dd, you need to make your own connections and her being around so much is making that difficult.

She hasn’t even thought about your needs and neither has your dh. Make sure how much you emphasise the isolation and that you need to do this for you and the children. Happy mum, happy baby etc and you don’t want to get PND, which is a distinct possibility seeing as you’re not being heard.

GetThatHelmetOn · 15/12/2022 04:12

Lollypop701 · 14/12/2022 16:29

I know I sound harsh op, but if you don’t put yourself first then this could be the next 10 years… and then she will want sell her home to move in with you! You will have lived your life not upsetting others but had no life for you.

I doubt it will come to that, they will be divorced before then.

JoanOfAllTrades · 15/12/2022 05:02

Oh dear. I can see this from both sides. As a grandma, it’s lovely to spend time with grandchildren but you, as a still relatively new mum to your DS, shouldn’t be doing this heavy lifting. And it does sound like heavy lifting, emotionally, physically, psychologically.

You don’t mention your own parents or wider family in this. So, I’m going to give you the advice I gave my own kids when their children were born and, no, I’m not your mum, but please take the advice in the spirit it is given.

When family want to come and spend time with your children, they are just that. Family. They aren’t guests in your house who must be waited on hand and foot and everything be perfect. They are family and family means that if they want to come round, they can pitch in too. Dinner needs cooking? Delegate. Laundry piling up? Delegate. I’ve seen many grandparents who are afraid to speak up and say “I’ll cook/wash/clean/vacuum”, in case their DIL/SIL gets offended. But you can and must speak up. Saying you need help isn’t a sign of not managing well, or being a bad parent, in fact, it’s the opposite! It’s showing that you are a good parent; you know when you require assistance and you’re not afraid to say.

I love cleaning. It’s therapeutic and gives me time to think. What is better than organising cupboards or pantries and folding clean washing? I admit that I’ve gone to friends houses and cleaned up. Not because I think they're dirty or because I’m judging them, but because I can see they are busy people, with busy lives and many hands make light work. They don’t get offended but understand that if I’m sitting in the living room, talking to them, I’ll tidy up. I think a lot of it too is my ADHD. I can’t just sit still and do nothing. I like have to keep my hands and mind busy.

When grandma visits, this is your time. Need a haircut? Leave the kids with grandma. Need a manicure? Grandma is there. Need to go shopping, just to get out of the house? Bye grandma. Your MIL isn’t some delicate little flower whose petals will drop off if you leave her. She’s a competent lady, who lives alone, yes, she sounds lonely, but she’s also emotionally blackmailed her whole family in to looking after her! Well, no. You are not her mother! She is yours (or rather DH’s so by virtue of that fact, yours).

It sounds like she’s bonded beautifully with DD but I’m not seeing where she’s bonded with DS. So, next time she comes round, make sure all the bottles are prepared for DS, the nappies and a change of clothes can be found easily, if/when needed, give her DS (if he’s awake) and say “cheerio grandma, I’ll be back later. The chicken needs putting in the oven at 4pm at 180C or whatever if I’m not back in time/turn the slow cooker off/put the stew on to warm (whatever you have planned)” and then leave.

If you make plans, you know she won’t get there before a certain time, so text her saying you’re going out and won’t be back until xx time (after it’s got dark, which is probably really early right now) and could you please leave it this week as you have a lot on. And then leave the house! If DH doesn’t like it, he can take the day off work to entertain her whilst you and the kids go out.

When she’s there, make sure she knows she’s there to help. “Grandma, could you quickly vacuum whilst I’m cleaning the bathroom”. “Grandma could you do this load of laundry while I’m making the dinner”. “Grandma can you hold DS while I do this”.

The biggest problem you have is that you didn’t start as you meant to go on. She’s used to being an honoured guest, not a family member. You need to tell her where the linens for her bed are. She doesn’t make the bed up? Not your problem. Also, you need to get rid of DD’s bed and think about getting bunk beds, as I know it’s a little way off but eventually, your 2 will need to share. And you should think about putting DS in with DD in his cot and using a monitor for when he cries at night (assuming he’s not sleeping through). DD will sleep through his crying, but I bet grandma won’t! Let her assume responsibility during the nights so you can get some rest.

Remember, grandma is not a guest! She’s family, so treat her as such 🌹

BabyOnBoard90 · 15/12/2022 05:14

YABU for not having a TL/DR.

YANBU for wanting space from your MIL.

Herejustforthisone · 15/12/2022 06:02

This would push me over the edge.

I’d tell my husband he had to put a stop to it or I’d be gone. It’s too overwhelming. Three adults, two kids and a dog in a two bedroom house? No.

Beginninnngtolookalotlike · 15/12/2022 06:24

OP this really isn't fair on you. I wouldn't like the sleeping with my DD element either.

It's a tricky one as lots of us have been guilty of trying to please our parents and PIL by involving them a lot with the grandchildren. However this situation is not working for you and you need to speak up.

Your OH is not helping you so I would decide what I would accept- eg no more sleepovers / MIL pops over once a fortnight to see everyone and help out and just call her and tell her that things will be changing in the new year as your husband and you feel its time for the kids to sleep in DDs bedroom together so no more overnight guests.

Offer for your MIL to pop over during the day once a fortnight or say maybe once every two or three weeks your OH will pop over on a Saturday with the kids.

Say you have noticed your DD is ready for more clubs so you are going to be taking them both out more and so need more routine.... you were thinking every other Monday from 9.30 to 3 might work for example then when MIL is there you could get on with some housework.... or whatever works for you.... but make it work for you!!

Roselilly36 · 15/12/2022 06:44

My wonderful late MIL spent more time in our home than her own, had her own key, regularly stayed 3 nights a week, similar circumstances a widow etc, however we did have a big house so she used the guest bedroom when she stayed, when DS2 woke in the night, he would go to the guest bedroom and get in bed with her. Didn’t worry me at all, MIL was a tremendous help though, never wanted waiting on, knew where everything was in our house, did lots of jobs, put washing on, loaded dishwasher, changed beds. She was the most fabulous GP to our boys, took them out and better than a mum to me, we will miss her every single day of my lives.

Willmafrockfit · 15/12/2022 06:51

speak out op
next time she is there, say, can we make these visits fortnightly?

cara345 · 15/12/2022 06:55

This was my life! My MIL came over every week. But she didn't interact with the kids, she just sat there. Did nothing. Nothing! Came at 8am and left 8pm after I'd cooked her dinner.

I ended up booking a baby class in the morning to push her arrival to about 1pm.

She watched me make her a cup of tea whilst I winced from an episiotomy. That's how little she did.

We had a fine relationship before but this made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up when i saw her on the doorstep. I hated it.

Got divorced and the absolute silver lining is never seeing her again.

She rarely sees the kids as exh can't be arsed having her over to his. THAT was the issue really, it was my exh pushing his duty to his mum on me to deal with...for years.

I feel your pain. At least she interacts with the kids.

cara345 · 15/12/2022 06:57

@Roselilly36 that's gorgeous ❤ I would love this relationship. Luckily you are describing my parents. As it should be.

cara345 · 15/12/2022 06:59

@JoanOfAllTrades you are the queen of all grandmas! How wonderful.

Daisydoor12 · 15/12/2022 07:00

@Roselilly36 exactly this for me.
OP be careful what you are wishing for ie mil to be a less frequent visitor one day she won’t be visiting at all.

ACynicalDad · 15/12/2022 07:06

Make it clear over Christmas that you’ve got New Year’s resolutions to go out to gross and things and make the best of your last few months off maternity. If she doesn’t say she’s coming she’ll find you are out. If she says she’s coming and you’re at a group tell her when you will be back and she can work around it. She’s not welcome at groups as you want to make friends with other mums. Then stick to it.

MeridianB · 15/12/2022 07:16

Justmuddlingalong · 14/12/2022 22:02

"So, MIL, DS will be moving into DD's bedroom come the start of the new year, so come January any sleepovers will need to be at your house.
I'll leave the times and dates up to you and DH to sort out in future."
It gives her a couple of weeks notice, perfectly reasonable.
And takes control of things, seeing as you DH appears to be unwilling or unable to stand up to her railroading your household.

So many great, realistic suggestions on here, OP. I like the one above as it knocks these sleepovers on the head for good. And means there’s only one conversation about it.

Agree with everyone saying book classes, see friends, make plans and enjoy your time. Perhaps even a few nursery hours for DD? I can’t believe MIL and DH thought staying twice a week, every week for the last two years was reasonable. And the idea that she was there to help, when she clearly wasn’t. You’ve lasted longer than most!

Your DH has been a real twit over this, leaving you to do all the work, and piling on the emotional blackmail about how she needs support. So much he could do to help her - doctor for ADs, suggestions for social activities to meet old and new friends. And definitely visiting her rather than her being at yours all the time. He needs to step up.

TheScenicWay · 15/12/2022 07:28

I am in this situation too except mil is in her 70's and comes on a Friday. Sometimes she goes on Saturday and sometimes on Sunday.
It is a pain but I feel for how lonely she is. She was widowed recently and dh is her only family.
I still carry on going out, taking dc to activities and generally doing my own thing.
Mil is just happy to be somewhere where there are people around and does her own thing too.

LlynTegid · 15/12/2022 07:31

I think you need to be firm. This could be helped by collecting and returning MIL from her home, so the car excuse is gone.

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/12/2022 07:43

AllotmentTime · 14/12/2022 16:18

I cannot make plans to see other mums or attend regular baby groups.

Yes, you can and this is your way out.

“Oh by the way MIL, I’ll be out most afternoons next week so is it okay if we skip a week?”

Rinse and repeat until her visits are less frequent.

Point out to your husband that he is not “looking after his mum”, you are. He is asking you to sacrifice your own well-being to take care of hers. That’s not okay. He’s probably sticking his head in the sand convincing himself that she’s “helping” and that it’s all okay. Sit him down and explain kindly but firmly/clearly that this is tiring, stressful and creates more work for you, and that you’re going to be cutting down on her visits.

Are you on mat leave? If so Then what’s his/her plan for when you’re back at work?

This ⬆

And when she texts with "I'll be over on Xday" Text back with "Can't manage Xday - I'vemade other arrangements. In fact we're busy all this week. You can come over next week on Day if that suits - but make it in the morning because the afternoon is awkward for DSon's nap."

Wean her away from every week and calling the shots about the days and times, and gradually reduce her contact - particularly overnight.

As you say - it's not easy because you want her to be part of the children's lives, and don't want to be cruel, but you need space, too.

If you can stop the overnights, then probably weekly visits will be do-able.

Oh - and stop making the bed up for her. Unless she has a disability she can do stuff like that herself.