Sorry it's a harry one

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Just getting a bit pissed off with hypocritical people lately and turn on twitter to find it full of harry and Megan, which got me directing my annoyance at hypocrites to Harry.

I did used to love the guy, and no hate from me here, but what I can't understand is:

1. The boy (man?) hates the press apparently, yet is in the media every second of his own choosing

1. He didn't want the press to use Diana for media gains and money making. Now his new netflix documentary appears to be going to do just that, judging by the trailor (which has already exploited Diana for clicks without the documentary even being out yet)

1. The man professes the royal family are all racist, but HE is the one who wore a nazi uniform, black faced himself, and has used racial slurs to many. (I don't think any of the other royals have gone so far as to dress up as a Nazi have they?)

Sorry for doing another Harry and megs thread, but the hypocrisy has really got to me today for some reason! (maybe PMT!)

If you r fed up with Harry threads, feel to coment on what other people you know have done hypocritical things that drive your nuts!! No need to mention Harry or Megan!

I do think she was massively naive, which she has admitted i think.

But also she has spoken about how she navigated the world and specifically north america as a light skinned mixed woman.
I honestly don't think she expected it and was not expecting to be treated as black and all the insanity that comes with 'misogynoir'

The racism and also the tabloids here are a complete different kettle of fish and once they've decided to get onto you they will spend everyday obsessing its quite terrifying.

Look at all the stuff with sistah space, they've dug up her marriage license her kids, her name change all that stuff. Thats in a week, I imagine it was bewildering.

Being a visible black woman in this country seems bloody horrible and has honestly put me off getting any further into a field I love. H&M are bound to make some missteps =, but they're finding their feet and i'm sure it will all find its level at some point.

It naive of any of us who exist on this island to pretend that the brf are some bastion of racial tolerance and modernity.
The same institution that banned poc in any front of house positions until recently.

The OP said that she thinks maybe it’s her PMT causing Harry to really get to her, so how the fuck is my post sexist for suggesting she gets help with that PMT?

Sorry for doing another Harry and megs thread, but the hypocrisy has really got to me today for some reason! (maybe PMT!)

I do think she was massively naive, which she has admitted i think.

Nah, she’s a very smart woman and will have been fully briefed despite what she says (no way did she get no training at all). I reckon she didn’t quite grasp that the RF aren’t like the Kardashians or any Hollywood entity, you can’t use your charm and looks to clamour for the position of top dog, and I suspect she thought she’d shake things up once she got into the fold. And it never happened because the RF doesn’t work like that

Oh. How embarrassing. I missed that apologies to that poster. I’ll ask my comment to be deleted.

I agree with you that it was only when H&M starting experiencing things that they realised the extent of the problem.

I agree with you that Meghan was naive at best, but as someone with a white sibling I take a very different view on it.

I also think that neither have realised that they're still essentially one of the most highly privileged white couples in the world and all the messaging around it just doesn't come across as sincere on their part.

That's not to say there aren't some positives that haven't come out of it there are, but for me they are overshadowed by the negative side.

Brilliant comment. I couldn't agree more. Thank you!

I think its both of their first times having to seriously understand and navigate race politics in a white space.

everyone remember when their white ally friend first starts getting into racism and doing the reading and basic activism and how "loud" they are and wanting to share with the world.

they're doing the same thing but on an international scale with one of the oldest whitest institutions in the world. I am choosing to give grace because ultimately i don't think its a BAD thing.

The royal family has never had to interact with race or multiculturalism ever, their first time is in the 2020s! its uncomfortable to watch especially in britain where we like to pretend it doesn't happen.

They'll be quiet eventually, plus we all have bills!

I can see and respect your point of view, but ultimately I think good intentions don't always produce good outcomes. The downside of this is that it disconnects a lot of people that are the ones that really need to be engaged into understanding racism.

For example, if Harry can just brush away his own documented racism then it intrinsically devalues what he's actually claiming to stand for. There's a case by lead by example here rather than do as I say which doesn't go down well.

I respect your option and do thing his own actions with regards to race need addressing but many will say he apologised at the time.

I dont think the people we are hoping it will reach will be affected they are busy calling archie a monkey or whatever else nasty things there doing.

For me it the clear visceral and aggressive reactions from so many that feel based in racism that gets people backs up. The british tradition of calling themselves the least racist in europe, its exhausting.

Plus i used to watch suits 😅

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I dont think the people we are hoping it will reach will be affected they are busy calling archie a monkey or whatever else nasty things there doing.

I definitely don't agree with that, there's a lot of people who are struggling with an identity shift in a Country that's become rapidly more Culturally diverse that don't know what to think. If I don't have empathy and understanding for that even after all the abuse I've been subjected to then I don't see why they should make any effort to undertand my point of view either.

I grew up in a time when racism was pretty overt and I've seen people change their thinking over time. I honestly don't think entrenching people in their views ever helped them do that.

,maybe we differ on that. my grandmother was verbally and physically abused for having mixed children and a black husband so much so she eventually left and married someone else.

for me its been clear since day dot that this place has limits. I do think things have changed massively but i still remember being called a monkey when out as kid with my parents, or at uni with my mates and the thought of having a black son still fills me with pure fear.

even coming from a northern/scottish poc family, we still get the usual ignorance

One of my early memories is my mother being called out in the street for having a non white baby, I remember the skinheads pulling up in the car. I've the physical, mental, and emotional scars so I know where you're coming from.

I really thought after all the protests I went on in the 90s that we'd largely come to a level of tolerance where people could successfully integrate. Still a lot of it about but I thought the next generation just wouldn't have these issues so I was surprised when it flared up again. I think brexit shook everything up and caused a lot of rifts.

But even so, I'm not willing to demonise people for being racist. Some of my childhood experiences also involved people who were making racist remarks that had picked them up from their parents but really didn't know what they were talking about. I always found having a conversation with them about it softened them up so they didn't get further entrenched in their view and reserved the fighting for when I had no choice.

The RF hasn't shown themselves up as anything prehistoric at.all. Meghan and Harry have shown themselves to be spiteful and malicious. She doesn't surprise me after seeing how she treats family and friends, but Harry is disappointing. It's just as well that William is the heir and Harry the Spare. Imagine him and Meghan on the throne banging on about their genetic pain or mental health...

I respect your option and do thing his own actions with regards to race need addressing but many will say he apologised at the time.

But he didn't, though, did he? An apology was penned and released on his behalf that minimised it as friendly banter that went too far.

I think he would have more impact and credibility if he took the mote out of his own eye before getting righteous about the beams in others, so to speak.

Just checked the episode synopsis - apparently the first 3 are about their separate early lives and engagement 😴 I want Oprah style bombshells 😂but I fear they dropped them all in their last interview.

I'm just catching up on this thread so a bit late to respond, but can I just say that I use the name Catherine rather than Kate because it's her name. I'm a pedant, not a royalist.

Awful. I wonder if Meghan knows he said that.

But at the time you wrote it it was YOUR truth....😀Google translate HM > English.

Why are Netflix releasing stuff weekly when their whole thing was a binge watching streaming service. Annoying.

People change though. If as a child everyone around you is racist, you believe it as you believe everything else they tell you. As an adult you learn and grow.

The media hounds Harry whether he ignores them or not. They bait him and his wife and pick on everything they do. He gets grief whatever he does.

He clearly has unresolved trauma about Diana.

To get double the exposure by releasing it in two parts 😀

10 mins in and Harry's grammar is appalling. Didn't they teach him the Queen's English?

I despise them both. I wouldn’t waste my time explaining why because it should be obvious to any sane person. They’re loopy.

Harry’s grammar? I think he’s a bit dense so I wouldn’t expect his grammar to be terribly accurate.

They probably concentrated all that stuff on the important one