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Sorry it's a harry one

232 replies

SuperSuperCold · 07/12/2022 20:05

Just getting a bit pissed off with hypocritical people lately and turn on twitter to find it full of harry and Megan, which got me directing my annoyance at hypocrites to Harry.

I did used to love the guy, and no hate from me here, but what I can't understand is:

  1. The boy (man?) hates the press apparently, yet is in the media every second of his own choosing
  1. He didn't want the press to use Diana for media gains and money making. Now his new netflix documentary appears to be going to do just that, judging by the trailor (which has already exploited Diana for clicks without the documentary even being out yet)
  1. The man professes the royal family are all racist, but HE is the one who wore a nazi uniform, black faced himself, and has used racial slurs to many. (I don't think any of the other royals have gone so far as to dress up as a Nazi have they?)

Sorry for doing another Harry and megs thread, but the hypocrisy has really got to me today for some reason! (maybe PMT!)

If you r fed up with Harry threads, feel to coment on what other people you know have done hypocritical things that drive your nuts!! No need to mention Harry or Megan!

OP posts:
doorheckk · 07/12/2022 23:43

You think criticising daddy for not giving you more money is ‘nice’?

I just don't see it as any worse than Charles calling his parents emotionally distant & harsh. Blabbing in interviews & books is normal for royals.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/12/2022 23:44

doorheckk · 07/12/2022 23:40

I think they are hypocrites but again it's completely normal for celebs & royals to be hypocrites so it just doesn't trigger me. And I don't think being a hypocrite is the worst thing in the world.

Well I think it’s one of the worst qualities a person could have (being a murderer or abusive aside of course). I do not like being preached at about the environment from 2 people who spend half their lives on a private jet. I don’t want to what lectures about poverty from one of the richest men in the world. Like the vast majority of people when they ‘stepped back’ I thought “don’t blame them really”. And would have an opinion had they quietly went to the US and did the odd PA kissing babies and cutting ribbons. However they have chosen to spend their career lecturing us all about racism (a family with a long history of the British Empire colonising half the world - perfect person to speak about this really). I don’t like people who can’t hold a mirror up to themselves.

doorheckk · 07/12/2022 23:44

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet I think you are confusing my posts. Of course you can write whatever you want on threads. But I find it fascinating as I said. What is it that gets so under your skin? Why devote such headspace to people that upset you?

doorheckk · 07/12/2022 23:48

Well I think it’s one of the worst qualities a person could have (being a murderer or abusive aside of course). I

lol, there is a bit of a gulf between murderer & hypocrite 😆

I do not like being preached at about the environment from 2 people who spend half their lives on a private jet

So you dislike William then too?

I don’t like people who can’t hold a mirror up to themselves.

this is brilliant

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/12/2022 23:49

doorheckk · 07/12/2022 23:43

You think criticising daddy for not giving you more money is ‘nice’?

I just don't see it as any worse than Charles calling his parents emotionally distant & harsh. Blabbing in interviews & books is normal for royals.

Eh? You don’t see the difference?

Charles had a shit childhood where his parents were absent and he was sent to a boarding school against his will where he was bullied, and they kept him there. People with money can still have awful childhoods. He called them ‘emotionally distant’ - hardly a surprising or salacious revelation.

Harry is a millionaire in his own right and sulked on national TV, in his Armani suit, in his multi million dollar mansion and moaned that daddy cut him off financially once he effectively quit his job. To recap - an almost 40yo millionaire moaning daddy isn’t providing any more cash for him.

You cannot possible think the two are the same?

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/12/2022 23:50

doorheckk · 07/12/2022 23:44

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet I think you are confusing my posts. Of course you can write whatever you want on threads. But I find it fascinating as I said. What is it that gets so under your skin? Why devote such headspace to people that upset you?

I can ask you the same - for all the moaning about the H&M bashing there as many sycophantic apologists ready to jump to a racist’s defence.

What is it about the H&M constructive criticism ‘bashing’ that gets under your skin??

SammySawdust · 07/12/2022 23:50

Fragrantandfoolish · 07/12/2022 21:59

For me the hypocrisy is where they said they’d work to follow the queens values, they’d support the queen William, Charles etc in their work, when they left, and they have done the opposite,

the queen wrote this about them in 20021

“It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life”

but they were unable to, it’s incredibly sad if you think about it. Their behaviour is based in spite, revenge and attention seeking, a desire for fame and fortune , a self belief of entitlement and victimisation. None of these are admirable qualities, none of these qualities are aspirational.

They can’t see they are being used by the big streamers or award givers, they can’t or won’t, they are not very smart people, they are simply awash on a sea of vultures, who are picking their bones clean, whilst harry and Meghan smile and laugh, twirl and giggle and enjoy the attention, not understanding they are slowly dying, that these organisations are not feting them , they are killing them.

it’s the saddest thing,

Spot on.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/12/2022 23:52

ol, there is a bit of a gulf between murderer & hypocrite

I agree but I was anticipating “What you don’t find being a child abuser being the worst type of person???!??!!” Type comments

So you dislike William then too?

William doesn’t tell me to make more environmentally friendly choices. They also travel coach class on Ryanair frequently unlike H&M who reckon they’re too famous.

this is brilliant

I think the words you are looking for is ‘you are’ not ‘this is’ 😆

HotChoxs · 07/12/2022 23:55

@doorheckk

So you dislike William then too?

Can't make up my mind personally
When's his bare all netflix show coming out so I can decide?

Sigma33 · 07/12/2022 23:55

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/12/2022 23:44

Well I think it’s one of the worst qualities a person could have (being a murderer or abusive aside of course). I do not like being preached at about the environment from 2 people who spend half their lives on a private jet. I don’t want to what lectures about poverty from one of the richest men in the world. Like the vast majority of people when they ‘stepped back’ I thought “don’t blame them really”. And would have an opinion had they quietly went to the US and did the odd PA kissing babies and cutting ribbons. However they have chosen to spend their career lecturing us all about racism (a family with a long history of the British Empire colonising half the world - perfect person to speak about this really). I don’t like people who can’t hold a mirror up to themselves.

I think he would be a great person to speak about this if there was a shred of self-reflection, the slightest sliver of 'I did this and with what I know now I realise that XYZ'

I think the most powerful educators are those who realise their mistakes and openly admit them and use them to connect with and educate others.

e.g. I called someone a p**i thinking it was funny/affectionate/whatever. I now realise that it was demeaning and he had no power to object, and it devalued and demeaned others of the same heritage. Further, I recognise that my huge wealth was built on dispossessing others, especially those seen as 'lesser' because of the colour of their skin. I will be donating x% of my inherited wealth to these organisations to support the work they do in tackling the effects of this.

I would have huge respect for someone who would stand up and say that. It would be far more powerful than limiting your complaints about racism to situations where you and your nearest and dearest are the victim of racism.

But that does mean facing and owning up to your own mistakes and your own privilege, instead of blaming/criticising others and complaining about your 'lack' of money

vera99 · 07/12/2022 23:56

stuntbubbles · 07/12/2022 20:52

Amen!

I was rolling my eyes at yet ANOTHER Harry thread but all worth it for this comment.

You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off...👏

As a sad frequenter of these threads the uber royalists use Catherine not Kate (with an imaginary curtsy )and refer to them as the Harkles along with some venomous commentary.

Youwhatnowffs · 07/12/2022 23:57

You missed out that they preach green yet jet all over the place op. Hypocritical is certainly a fair adjective for them.

HotChoxs · 07/12/2022 23:59

Sigma33 · 07/12/2022 23:55

I think he would be a great person to speak about this if there was a shred of self-reflection, the slightest sliver of 'I did this and with what I know now I realise that XYZ'

I think the most powerful educators are those who realise their mistakes and openly admit them and use them to connect with and educate others.

e.g. I called someone a p**i thinking it was funny/affectionate/whatever. I now realise that it was demeaning and he had no power to object, and it devalued and demeaned others of the same heritage. Further, I recognise that my huge wealth was built on dispossessing others, especially those seen as 'lesser' because of the colour of their skin. I will be donating x% of my inherited wealth to these organisations to support the work they do in tackling the effects of this.

I would have huge respect for someone who would stand up and say that. It would be far more powerful than limiting your complaints about racism to situations where you and your nearest and dearest are the victim of racism.

But that does mean facing and owning up to your own mistakes and your own privilege, instead of blaming/criticising others and complaining about your 'lack' of money

Round of applause

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 08/12/2022 00:00

@Sigma33 absolutely spot on. It’s such a shame that he missed an excellent opportunity

My DC are mixed race and whilst we have been very lucky to have experienced minimal racist comments (there’s still time they’re only 5 & 9) it genuinely breaks my heart that there are so many fucking arseholes out there who will tie themselves in knots to excuse racist words like P**I and dressing up as Nazis and who don’t think people preaching about racism should even attempt to speak about their own racist actions. It would be such a win for POC such as my children to be able to see privileged white men owning their fuck ups and misunderstandings around race and acknowledging how it makes people feel - not whining that someone may or may not have said something potentially unsavoury to a loved one and that’s only when they started giving a shit themselves

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 08/12/2022 00:01

vera99 · 07/12/2022 23:56

You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off...👏

As a sad frequenter of these threads the uber royalists use Catherine not Kate (with an imaginary curtsy )and refer to them as the Harkles along with some venomous commentary.

But Catherine is her name and the name she uses for herself. How is that being an ‘Uber Royalist’ Confused

Sigma33 · 08/12/2022 00:02

PicturesOfDogs · 07/12/2022 21:40

This is all well known.
Very well known.

Edward was vey pro nazi, and had an agreement to be a puppet leader for the Nazis.

Half of Prince Philips family were Nazis, most of his sisters were married to Nazis.

I’ve seen this used as a slur against Philip, to indicate he was also a Nazi, when he literally fought in a war against them. It’s crazy.

And his mother was declared Righteous Among the Nations by Yad Vashem for protecting Jews in Athens during the Second World War at the risk of her life.

doorheckk · 08/12/2022 00:02

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet

"William doesn’t tell me to make more environmentally friendly choices. "

seriously? your arms must be hurting from all that reaching!

I think

If only....

Miajk · 08/12/2022 00:03

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/12/2022 21:07

Indeed. Some of us are old enough to remember the nasty comments about her appearance that were never ending in the 90’s. She put the work and and hugely turned it around, I believe she is now one of the most popular Royals.

And Meghan was smart enough to know she doesn't have to put up with the British public, who as we have seen are in large numbers bigots, racists, and idiots.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 08/12/2022 00:03

Also to pick up on a PP - where is the evidence that the Queen Mother was a Nazi sympathiser?

Prescottdanni123 · 08/12/2022 00:03

Pandor · 07/12/2022 23:12

Has anyone ever laid out the precise rules as to when you are, and aren’t allowed to dress up as a Nazi without that demonstrating that you are in fact terribly racist?

Ralph Feinnes put in an incredible performance as Amon Goeth in Schindler’s List, but presumably that didn’t make him a racist as it was a very serious film.

The whole Mel Brooks “Springtime for Hitler” routine in the Producers was done for laughs, but presumably isn’t evidence of appalling racism either?

I used to watch a lot of Allo Allo as a child and don’t ever remember Richard Gibson being hounded by accusations of racism for his portrayal of Herr Flick of the gestapo, but perhaps I missed it.

In fact, I suspect there are literally countless examples of people dressing as Nazis over the years that have gone utterly unremarked upon.

it’s almost as if the motivation behind someone dressing up as a Nazi, whether that it is to make a serious point, to make people laugh, or to showcase their love and support of Far Right political views, is actually really important.

You could almost say that whilst a young prince dressing up as a Nazi amongst friends in the context of a fancy dress night is clearly naive, it doesn’t “necessarily” demonstrate an actual love of nazis or reveal any deep seated racism.

But no…much simpler to just call him a racist.

Bit if a difference in dressing up as a nazi to film a historical war film and dressing up for as a nazi for fancy dress. The latter, at best is in bad taste, at worst it is racist. This coupled with him calling someone a p* and telling someone that they didn't sound like a black person makes him a hypocrite.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 08/12/2022 00:04

doorheckk · 08/12/2022 00:02

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet

"William doesn’t tell me to make more environmentally friendly choices. "

seriously? your arms must be hurting from all that reaching!

I think

If only....

Here’s a thought - you could maybe answer with an actual point rather than these yawntastic smart arse passive aggressive responses??

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 08/12/2022 00:05

Miajk · 08/12/2022 00:03

And Meghan was smart enough to know she doesn't have to put up with the British public, who as we have seen are in large numbers bigots, racists, and idiots.

Which is exactly why no one could blame them when they decide to step back.

vera99 · 08/12/2022 00:05

doorheckk · 07/12/2022 22:17

He is jealous of his brother and wants to be King -

I don't understand this, do some see being a King as the best thing ever? Anyone sane wouldn't want that!

Half of Shakespeare majors on that very point. But back in t'day Kings had to earn their right to rule or be deposed probably violently. In debased modern currency the Sussesexes are doing just that.

“Cry ‘God for Harry, England, and Saint George!'”

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 08/12/2022 00:07

vera99 · 08/12/2022 00:05

Half of Shakespeare majors on that very point. But back in t'day Kings had to earn their right to rule or be deposed probably violently. In debased modern currency the Sussesexes are doing just that.

“Cry ‘God for Harry, England, and Saint George!'”

Oh yes in t’olden days someone would have found a field and they would have fought it out! Andrew would have got stuck in too of course, and probably a random cousin with a tenuous link to the throne. Far more grey areas back in those days 😂

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 08/12/2022 00:07

I’ve never heard the accusation of Harry telling someone they didn’t sound black - when was this?