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Sorry it's a harry one

232 replies

SuperSuperCold · 07/12/2022 20:05

Just getting a bit pissed off with hypocritical people lately and turn on twitter to find it full of harry and Megan, which got me directing my annoyance at hypocrites to Harry.

I did used to love the guy, and no hate from me here, but what I can't understand is:

  1. The boy (man?) hates the press apparently, yet is in the media every second of his own choosing
  1. He didn't want the press to use Diana for media gains and money making. Now his new netflix documentary appears to be going to do just that, judging by the trailor (which has already exploited Diana for clicks without the documentary even being out yet)
  1. The man professes the royal family are all racist, but HE is the one who wore a nazi uniform, black faced himself, and has used racial slurs to many. (I don't think any of the other royals have gone so far as to dress up as a Nazi have they?)

Sorry for doing another Harry and megs thread, but the hypocrisy has really got to me today for some reason! (maybe PMT!)

If you r fed up with Harry threads, feel to coment on what other people you know have done hypocritical things that drive your nuts!! No need to mention Harry or Megan!

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starfro · 07/12/2022 21:49

All they've got left is the Royal falling-out story. They'll monetise it whilst they can.

I think he's made an awful mistake marrying Meghan. She clearly wanted Hollywood A-lister fame, not minor British Royal life. She would have been much better off marrying a big film star, and him a girl that had a good understanding of what was required of the role - it's not glitz and glamour all the time, it's often tedious and dull.

You're not going to change the world as a minor Royal, you're going to be opening the village Fete in rural Somerset. She never wanted that.

Mirabai · 07/12/2022 21:49

LakieLady · 07/12/2022 20:29

I'm a republican and think the monarchy should have ended when the queen died, so anything that exposes them to ridicule or undermines their credibility is fine by me.

The sooner we get rid of the whole archaic institution the better, and M&H are certainly doing a grand job of showing what an uptight bunch of dinosaurs they are.

This. What else is there.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/12/2022 21:50

Well said @PicturesOfDogs

EconomyClassRockstar · 07/12/2022 21:53

I'm quite looking forward to tomorrow when I suspect a lot of people will be eating their words. So much hysteria over a couple of trailers that were literally designed to make people talk and watch the show with absolutely no context whatsoever.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 07/12/2022 21:54

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet - documented by Norman Baker in his book And What Do you Do? Harry and William were always real partners in crime, so whether it was making poor dress up choices or smoking dope, they did stuff together. But if they got caught, it was all blamed on Harry and William was protected by the palace who have arrangements with the papers in exchange for sending them stories. Selling out some family members to protect others is an established MO for the RF and I think this was part of what led to this rift.

PicturesOfDogs · 07/12/2022 21:55

EconomyClassRockstar · 07/12/2022 21:53

I'm quite looking forward to tomorrow when I suspect a lot of people will be eating their words. So much hysteria over a couple of trailers that were literally designed to make people talk and watch the show with absolutely no context whatsoever.

I hope you’re right, I really do.

I hope that the trailers are a real misrepresentation of the documentary.

Because if not the gloves will be well and truly off, and it will become an absolute shit show.

And the Queen isn’t there to protect Harry anymore.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 07/12/2022 21:58

I think what we don't widely understand, know about, is the depths the media sink to to harass celebs/public figures etc. It's not unreasonable for those people to want to use media for their own means whether it be business or personal, such as image. I think Harry rightfully despises the media but understands he can't avoid them so is trying to play the game. The royal family do the same by giving stories they want to get favours in return such as delays in publishing a story or getting one slanted a certain way.
I dob't think Harry is hypocritical by calling out racism against his wife (and children?). It has no relation to his "costume" in his 20's which was an obviously ignorant and immature error. Harry's character was shown in his royal military service and his ongoing support for veterans. He hasn't branded the entire royal family as racist either. With all of the criticism against them they have a right to tell their side. The papers make money off of them with all the salacious headlines they print. I say more power to Harry and Megan to make money using media. What is wrong with it? Is it that we're still holding them to the standard of acting dignified in a certain way and not giving interviews and airing dirty laundry? That standard was broken long ago, I'm afraid and in a much cruder way. Harry and Megan are doing a lot of good charity work and by their willingness to share their personal experiences I think they become more relatable. The fact is the media have stoked a division and keep it going. Regardless of the actions some of the royals took to include and welcome Megan it is clear other actions excluded her. I believe she endured racism and other poor treatment. It was seen in the press fgs! We need to stop minimizing institutional and structural racism.

Georgybell · 07/12/2022 21:59

They made everything pretty clear and at this point it’s that you just do not want to understand. It’s not confusing or complicated or difficult but you don’t want to understand and you can’t because your brain won’t allow you to grasp the fact that you have not walked either of their steps. They are not saying anything different to what Diana has said. There’s enough nastiness in this world and yet here you are being vicious about people you have and will never ever meet. I think he knows a hell of a lot more about the goings on where HE grew up than you love!

Fragrantandfoolish · 07/12/2022 21:59

For me the hypocrisy is where they said they’d work to follow the queens values, they’d support the queen William, Charles etc in their work, when they left, and they have done the opposite,

the queen wrote this about them in 20021

“It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life”

but they were unable to, it’s incredibly sad if you think about it. Their behaviour is based in spite, revenge and attention seeking, a desire for fame and fortune , a self belief of entitlement and victimisation. None of these are admirable qualities, none of these qualities are aspirational.

They can’t see they are being used by the big streamers or award givers, they can’t or won’t, they are not very smart people, they are simply awash on a sea of vultures, who are picking their bones clean, whilst harry and Meghan smile and laugh, twirl and giggle and enjoy the attention, not understanding they are slowly dying, that these organisations are not feting them , they are killing them.

it’s the saddest thing,

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/12/2022 22:00

Atethehalloweenchocs · 07/12/2022 21:54

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet - documented by Norman Baker in his book And What Do you Do? Harry and William were always real partners in crime, so whether it was making poor dress up choices or smoking dope, they did stuff together. But if they got caught, it was all blamed on Harry and William was protected by the palace who have arrangements with the papers in exchange for sending them stories. Selling out some family members to protect others is an established MO for the RF and I think this was part of what led to this rift.

THAT’s your source?! A book by a politician and known conspiracy theorist? As my kids would say: pics or it didn’t happen. You can’t just accuse someone of dressing as a Nazi when you have absolutely no evidence. IIRC William was dressed as a ranger at that same party. And having worked in the media I can tell you that if a paper wanted to publish a story they had evidence of, they’d publish it. The palace do not have the powers to ‘cover up’ anything published in the press

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/12/2022 22:01

Having just done a quick google I can find absolutely nothing to suggest a claim that William also wore a Nazi costume.

Fragrantandfoolish · 07/12/2022 22:02

Why are you asking for proof of the Nazi thing, you’d have to live under a Rock to not have seen it . How can you claim to work in the media and miss it lol

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4170083.stm

abcdefghijkml · 07/12/2022 22:03

Fragrantandfoolish · 07/12/2022 22:02

Why are you asking for proof of the Nazi thing, you’d have to live under a Rock to not have seen it . How can you claim to work in the media and miss it lol

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4170083.stm

William. She said about William.

Fragrantandfoolish · 07/12/2022 22:04

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet , sorry are you arguing William didn’t, which I agree with, or harry didn’t, which I don’t.

Fragrantandfoolish · 07/12/2022 22:04

abcdefghijkml · 07/12/2022 22:03

William. She said about William.

Ah then yes I agree, I have seen nothing to say William did,

stuntbubbles · 07/12/2022 22:08

William was at the party too, which was “Colonials and Natives” themed – and will have been aware of Harry’s costume before it was in the papers. He’s not exactly smelling of roses here.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/12/2022 22:14

Fragrantandfoolish · 07/12/2022 22:02

Why are you asking for proof of the Nazi thing, you’d have to live under a Rock to not have seen it . How can you claim to work in the media and miss it lol

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4170083.stm

Lol indeed - if you read my post properly, which you clearly haven’t, I was challenging another poster’s claims that William also wore a Nazi uniform.

doorheckk · 07/12/2022 22:14

I'm more disappointed by Charles & his bag of Quater cash tbh.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/12/2022 22:14

Fragrantandfoolish · 07/12/2022 22:04

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet , sorry are you arguing William didn’t, which I agree with, or harry didn’t, which I don’t.

No someone else claimed William also wore a Nazi costume

SuperSuperCold · 07/12/2022 22:15

Fragrantandfoolish · 07/12/2022 21:59

For me the hypocrisy is where they said they’d work to follow the queens values, they’d support the queen William, Charles etc in their work, when they left, and they have done the opposite,

the queen wrote this about them in 20021

“It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life”

but they were unable to, it’s incredibly sad if you think about it. Their behaviour is based in spite, revenge and attention seeking, a desire for fame and fortune , a self belief of entitlement and victimisation. None of these are admirable qualities, none of these qualities are aspirational.

They can’t see they are being used by the big streamers or award givers, they can’t or won’t, they are not very smart people, they are simply awash on a sea of vultures, who are picking their bones clean, whilst harry and Meghan smile and laugh, twirl and giggle and enjoy the attention, not understanding they are slowly dying, that these organisations are not feting them , they are killing them.

it’s the saddest thing,

Agree. But I feel more sad for Harry than Megan. She is in the USA which she knows. If they ever split, she has friends out there, knows the lay of the land, will find another celeb to hook up with, can get back to her acting etc... But Harry ... what will life be like for him when everything crashes down? He'll be lost and alone. So sad.

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/12/2022 22:17

stuntbubbles · 07/12/2022 22:08

William was at the party too, which was “Colonials and Natives” themed – and will have been aware of Harry’s costume before it was in the papers. He’s not exactly smelling of roses here.

Indeed why didn’t he just rugby tackle his brother and rip his costume off him. All William’s fault really

doorheckk · 07/12/2022 22:17

He is jealous of his brother and wants to be King -

I don't understand this, do some see being a King as the best thing ever? Anyone sane wouldn't want that!

doorheckk · 07/12/2022 22:18

He’s a massive hypocrite

What Royal isn't?

stuntbubbles · 07/12/2022 22:18

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 07/12/2022 22:17

Indeed why didn’t he just rugby tackle his brother and rip his costume off him. All William’s fault really

Hmm Yes, that’s the same as what I said. Or… where’s the William-bashing for attending a party with that theme? He got off Scott-free.

Moknicker · 07/12/2022 22:21

Hear hear!