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To say don't vote Tory

223 replies

Horsesandzebras · 07/12/2022 10:53

Little poll really to see how Mumsnetters feel towards the Tory Party

YANBU = I dislike how the Torys have managed the country
YABU = I like how the Tories have managed the country

I know it's unreasonable to tell you how to vote. I just think it will be interesting to guage their popularity on here.

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Blossomtoes · 07/12/2022 17:48

At least the Conservatives ARE prepared to face this down, and are doing something about the rot that has set in.

Are they? Why haven’t they done it then? The rot has set in on their watch. And please can you stop with the “Yeah, but Labour …” rants? Like I said, it’s the Tories’ mess, own it and stop hypothecating about what the opposition might do.

Mangolist · 07/12/2022 17:50

Well I'm busy getting my application in to be a postperson so I can claim my £47000 a year.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 07/12/2022 18:10

Venetiaparties · 07/12/2022 17:26

I thought you might conveniently forget Labour did not/does not support NATO and many in the party are actively against NATO. Of course you want to gloss over that small but not insignificant fact given we are on the edge of WW3.

If you could read my posts you would understand that I hold Russia responsible for the energy crisis. Fact. I also think the UK do have a degree of insulation due to diversifying sources. Both are true.

We had plans for influenza outbreak, shame that covid is not influenza. You can't have a plan for something no one knows about strangely.

Labour are bloody useless, things will be even worse with Angela at the helm with Starmer pretending his in charge when we know the unions are really the power behind the party - and just look at the carnage they are creating.

And if you are woman, you can forget about being one for much longer - you will be rendered invisible with no rights anyway. So make the most of talking out loud now pal, as our days of women's rights and voices are on borrowed time.

"Asked whether it is transphobic to say that 'only women have a cervix', Sir Keir said: 'It is something that shouldn't be said, it is not right'

Asked why Ms Duffield should not have made the remark, the Labour leader said: 'I don't think that we can just go through various things that people have said"

Are you actually supporting a man that can not even bring himself to acknowledge the desperate need of women's rights. The right to safety in prisons, hospitals and even a toilet.

I thought you might conveniently forget Labour did not/does not support NATO and many in the party are actively against NATO. Of course you want to gloss over that small but not insignificant fact given we are on the edge of WW3.

I’m not glossing over anything; you’ve just randomly thrown NATO into the discussion, and I was asking what that has to do with anything? Oh, and we are not on the verge of WW3 but well played, I thought you’d go down the WEF conspiracy route but WW3 was a ball out of left field.

If you could read my posts you would understand that I hold Russia responsible for the energy crisis. Fact. I also think the UK do have a degree of insulation due to diversifying sources. Both are true.

And if you would read my posts, you would understand that the reason Russia is so able to affect international energy markets and send us all into crisis is because successive governments failed to divest away from fossil fuels as our primary energy source.
I’m also hesitant to bring this up because I suspect it will set you off on a froth but what the hell. Why do you blame Russia for the energy crisis? We are the ones who imposed sanctions on them, not them on us. We (well the west in general) have been happy to stomp around the world, invading and butchering without a care in the world. Yet when Russia do it, they’re monsters who must be punished.

We had plans for influenza outbreak, shame that covid is not influenza. You can't have a plan for something no one knows about strangely.

Oh, sweet Jesus, really? Ok…. firstly, covid and influenza are both respiratory illnesses and spread in similar ways so the lessons learned from those simulations would have been very relevant. Secondly, you don’t run simulations for every single eventuality and every single disease, that would be nuts. The simulations were undertaken to establish the level of preparedness in the event of a global pandemic, and it was found the UK was seriously underprepared, many of the recommendations/findings in the 2016 report were actually realised during covid and if the government had acted on them we might have fared better than we did.

Labour are bloody useless, things will be even worse with Angela at the helm with Starmer pretending his in charge when we know the unions are really the power behind the party - and just look at the carnage they are creating.

Labour isn’t in power, you do know that right? Really not sure why you keep going on and on about labour, especially to me who doesn’t even vote for them. I’d also argue that it is uncheck capitalism and the continued funnelling of wealth from workers to shareholders that is the root cause of the issues we are seeing but I suspect you’ll disagree on that too.

And if you are woman, you can forget about being one for much longer - you will be rendered invisible with no rights anyway. So make the most of talking out loud now pal, as our days of women's rights and voices are on borrowed time.

Much longer, since when were women ever no.1? Again, you do realise that it is the Tories who are in power, I really just want to confirm this. IT IS THE TORIES WHO ARE IN POWER. All the erosion of women’s rights, all the issues around safe spaces for women, these are all happening under the stewardship of the Tories. Not labour, the Tories.

"Asked whether it is transphobic to say that 'only women have a cervix', Sir Keir said: 'It is something that shouldn't be said, it is not right'

Asked why Ms Duffield should not have made the remark, the Labour leader said: 'I don't think that we can just go through various things that people have said"

Are you actually supporting a man that can not even bring himself to acknowledge the desperate need of women's rights. The right to safety in prisons, hospitals and even a toilet.

Wait; are you now admitting that woman’s rights are in a desperate place right now, under a tory government? I’ve already asked if you could try and remain consistent with your points, it’s difficult to argue with someone who 180’s every post and even within the same post. I’ll also say this one last time since you seem to be unable to understand what I post here. I do not vote for labour, never have, never will. I also do not vote for the Tories, never have, never will.

Horsesandzebras · 07/12/2022 18:14

Yhe votes have consistently been aroubd the 30/70 mark this afternoon.

Looks like 30% think the Tories have done a good job (or didn't hear me out and just plain think I'm being unreasonable telling them how to not vote)

70% don't think the Tories have done a good job

I find that result surprising. I don't know about you.

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hamstersarse · 07/12/2022 18:15

Choccolatte · 07/12/2022 17:33

Only an utter cunt could vote Tory at the moment. Don't have to love Labour but no one with an ounce of decency could vote them after they have destroyed our country. People will die this week because of them. They disgust me and anyone that choose to vote for them.

Fully lefty bingo in that post

Congrats

Blossomtoes · 07/12/2022 18:16

I don’t find it remotely surprising. It’s in line with just about every poll in the last three or four months.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 07/12/2022 18:24

loveisagirlnameddaisy · 07/12/2022 17:36

@Thebestwaytoscareatory Technically I'm not using hindsight in this case as Labour never got in. So it's more a hypothesis than hindsight.

Ok, please tell us what makes you so confident in your hypothesis, please also remember that I blamed current and past governments for the issues, not just the Tories.

And technically I wasn't using hindsight either. I've been advocating and campaigning on the need to move away from fossil fuels as a primary energy source for over a decade now. My comments come from frustration rather than hindsight. It's also why I despair when I hear people (especially government ministers) talking about nuclear as an option for the future.

Horsesandzebras · 07/12/2022 18:46

Blossomtoes · 07/12/2022 18:16

I don’t find it remotely surprising. It’s in line with just about every poll in the last three or four months.

Which polls @Blossomtoes ?

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Choccolatte · 07/12/2022 18:53

Venetiaparties · 07/12/2022 17:34

This is precisely why I could never vote for Labour. Too many thugs like Angela and choccolatte Aggressive and entirely incapable of reasoned debate.

A) I'm not a Labour voter
B) so some mean words are worse than policies that lead to death. Good priorities.

Choccolatte · 07/12/2022 18:54

hamstersarse · 07/12/2022 18:15

Fully lefty bingo in that post

Congrats

Is lefty an insult 😂

Horsesandzebras · 07/12/2022 19:05

Just googled the polls.

Yes Mumsnet crowd are in line with political polls.

Less than 30% Conservative
Around 50% Labour

The other parties pick up the rest.

Thanks for voting. I found it interesting to hear your views even if they are not the same as mine.

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loveisagirlnameddaisy · 07/12/2022 19:11

@Thebestwaytoscareatory A hypothesis is a supposition based on limited evidence. So I don't really have much to go on other than not many Labour politicians were criticising our lack of energy independence or our reliance on Chinese manufacturing in 2010.

Very happy to be corrected though if you know otherwise?

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 07/12/2022 19:40

loveisagirlnameddaisy · 07/12/2022 19:11

@Thebestwaytoscareatory A hypothesis is a supposition based on limited evidence. So I don't really have much to go on other than not many Labour politicians were criticising our lack of energy independence or our reliance on Chinese manufacturing in 2010.

Very happy to be corrected though if you know otherwise?

So the answer to my question is "nothing".

Your little dig at "armchair warriors trying to feel intelligent" and subsequent was based on nothing more than your own random assumptions (and by that I mean that you assumed I had no experience of the topic I posted on and that I was a labour supporter).

Once again, I am neither a labour or tory supporter and I leveled my critisism at both labour and tory governments, I even specified it in the last post. Governments of all colours are to blame for their failures to invest in energy infrastructure and divest from fossil fuels.

loveisagirlnameddaisy · 07/12/2022 19:48

@Thebestwaytoscareatory ok, if you say so

LakieLady · 07/12/2022 19:52

Venetiaparties · 07/12/2022 16:43

Some on here think that voting Labour will increase their benefits and give them a free ride. Accepted.

I work in welfare rights.

Every day, I deal with people in abject fucking poverty because of the austerity agenda. Even when basic benefits are increased, rising rents and the failure to increase local housing allowances means that they are getting ever poorer.

I make at least 3 or 4 food bank referrals a week - in a county where the average salary is between £32k and £45k, depending on the district.

Today, I heard that I'd won (yet another) benefit appeal for a client. They will now, finally, get the money they should have been given 18 months ago. They have been at their wits end, trying to pay their bills and feed themselves on less than £350 a month for all that time and made 2 suicide attempts, and had 2 spells in a psych unit because of sheer bloody desperation. It probably cost more than giving them enough to live on, ffs.

I wish I could say that this is unusual, but it's not. If Labour are going to increase benefits, they're guaranteed my vote. People are dying because of this fucking government.

LlynTegid · 07/12/2022 19:53

Much of what a government has to do are things that are not related to party politics. I am unlikely to support many of the policies that any party puts forward, but expect a basic level of competence in the way a government manages things.

I can accept that the Tories have policies I will never support, but their handling of the Covid pandemic under the Prime Minister Boris Johnson was criminal. If I supported the death penalty I would be happy to see him hang.

There are only three cabinet ministers that are competent enough if you take David Cameron's cabinet as a standard, maybe only Michael Gove if Margaret Thatcher's cabinet was the standard.

MassiveSaladWithChristmasTrimmings · 07/12/2022 19:57

There were lots of threads like these before the last General Election, with everyone shouting on the Labour party and predicting a Labour landslide-it wasn't a matter of Labour winning but just how big their huge majority was going to be.

Anyone who stuck their head over the parapet to say they would be voting Conservative was called everything from stupid to a cunt-sometimes a stupid cunt.
Of course, if your only source of information was these threads, then you would have been aghast and shocked beyond shock when Conservative won.

That is because posters on Mumsnet adore Labour and actually seem to hate anyone who describes themselves as a Conservative.

Luckily, Mumsnet is an echo chamber where Conservative voters are actually hated and left-wing posters cheer each other on.

Of course, as the last General Election showed-those posters are out of step with the electorate-no matter how many threads urging people to vote Labour-some no doubt from Labour HQ-are started.

Hooverphobe · 07/12/2022 20:08

What’s this “captain hindsight” nonsense?

you don’t require political allegiance to open your eyes and look at the world. I was asking difficult questions at Dungeness in 1988. We’ve been due a pandemic decades. Anyone paying even the vaguest of attention would’ve noticed China/Russia up to no good.

but I suppose at some point San Francisco will fall off its axis and there will be those of you who say “who could’ve possibly predicted that?”.

stop being lazy and start thinking.

MayThe4th · 07/12/2022 20:12

so which tabloid are you writing for OP?

Your goady pole is totally. Just because 70% said they won’t vote tori doesn’t mean they’ll be voting for labour.

I won’t be voting tori, but neither will I vote labour. And herein lies the issue. Labour have zero credibility. They have no policies, and no, not wanting to make them known because the tori government will steal them is total bollocks and is essentially a get-out to avoid having to admit they don’t have anything.

But without policies labour won’t get votes. So even if the tories lose votes, if labour don’t gain those votes then the tories have a real chance of staying in power.

DerekFaker · 07/12/2022 20:15

To be honest I've not seen posts that roast Tory voters.

You have GOT to be kidding! You see nothing else on political threads.

MarshaBradyo · 07/12/2022 20:17

DerekFaker · 07/12/2022 20:15

To be honest I've not seen posts that roast Tory voters.

You have GOT to be kidding! You see nothing else on political threads.

Yep. Post from Choccolatte below good example Labour / left on here

Iamboredandgoingforatwix · 07/12/2022 20:39

Venetiaparties · 07/12/2022 11:34

That is total BS and you know it. The conditions were that they work some weekends!!! As most rail companies all over the world have a functioning rail system seven days a week except for us!! Still living in the 1950s here.

They are not low paid either!!!!!

Train drivers - 60,000 a year PLUS generous over time
Postal workers - 47,5000 a year - which is a staggering amount for such a low skills base job
Paramedic - 36,500 a year
Nurse - 35,000 a year
Border force - 31,000 to 41,000 a year

How can a postal worker earn more than a paramedic????

Labour are FULLY behind the action and have said as much, and it is going to back fire badly.

Angela Raynor said only yesterday she supports the strikes. Radio 4 listen to her interview. Very clearly says Lynch is doing a 'good job' !! Can you just imagine what would happen if this militant woman would do if Labour wins the election.

I totally despair at all of our political parties. And I won't be voting for any of them.

Er postal workers don't earn 47,000 a year. Who told you that? And why the hell do you believe it?

HRTQueen · 07/12/2022 20:45

Well many on MN has predicted a Labour landslide since I have been here 2006

it hasn’t happened yet and won’t happen next time

WatchoRulo · 07/12/2022 20:54

Venetiaparties · 07/12/2022 17:34

This is precisely why I could never vote for Labour. Too many thugs like Angela and choccolatte Aggressive and entirely incapable of reasoned debate.

Well at least they don't post a pack of incoherent lies and daft conspiracy theories and try and dress it up as "reasoned debate".

WatchoRulo · 07/12/2022 20:55

Iamboredandgoingforatwix · 07/12/2022 20:39

Er postal workers don't earn 47,000 a year. Who told you that? And why the hell do you believe it?

Several of us have tried to challenge the obvious lies about salaries - @Venetiaparties imperiously dismisses any challenge by the usual Trump/Johnson technique of restating lies.