To say don't vote Tory

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Little poll really to see how Mumsnetters feel towards the Tory Party

YANBU = I dislike how the Torys have managed the country
YABU = I like how the Tories have managed the country

I know it's unreasonable to tell you how to vote. I just think it will be interesting to guage their popularity on here.

Oh, a conspiracy theorist. Thanks for confirming that there’s no basis for taking anything you say seriously now. “Dark forces”! 😂

The NHS is an impossible feat and will need to be overhauled in time by either party. It is no longer fit for purpose and can not be expected to fulfil every health issue of an ageing population of seventy million plus. It is a mathematical impossibility to continue as we are.

It will be in the same shit state if Labour finally get in. The NHS needs to changed and fast before it kills many more otherwise healthy people through negligence.

Real terms spending is up anyway. What is hammering us is demographic changes outpacing tax rises and we’re still paying back for PFI in billions which doesn’t help.

Delaying payment like that through funding isn’t viable given the next generation will be ageing, for quite some time anyway.

I can live with that. Strangely. If you had actually listened to him, you will know what he said in the commons.
If you knew anything about politics you will know this has nothing to do with a birthday cake!

The Tories next campaign song should be It Wasn't Me by Shaggy.🙄

Agreed, the current government are throwing tens of billions into the NHS black hole.
We need root and branch change along the lines of the AUS model.
Outstanding hospitals still exist especially in London, many are pioneering and head of the curve. It is certainly doable with the political will and public support to have a different NHS that is not failing.

I can't see Labour doing it! But you can't serve 70 million people and deal with a pandemic and now flu season etc and expect anything else. It is statistically now impossible. We have a nation of obese and overweight people that are getting older with complex multi layered health issues and everyone expects perfect service and care.

It can't be done.

More people receiving benefits than pay taxes. Granted Covid a factor, that is a tipping point I wouldn’t want to go higher. Labour will need to not promise too much extra.

It was you who brought up birthday cake Johnson was forced to resign because he’s a lazy, incompetent, pathological liar who was fast becoming a liability. I don’t give a shit what he said in the Commons, he lies as easily and as often as he breathes.

It is certainly doable with the political will and public support to have a different NHS that is not failing.

So why haven’t the Tories done it? They had 10 years before covid hit, if it’s doable why did they piss about with a pointless restructure in 2012 that cost millions? Why hasn’t this remarkable transformation taken place, after all they inherited an NHS that was functioning well - all they’ve done is create the current failing version.

Please, don't be ridiculous. We wouldn't have even stayed in Nato if the Labour party had won! Corbyn was dead set against it. He is very sympathetic of the Russians even now after all butchery.

Why are you rabbiting on about NATO now, what's that got to do with anything?

Do you also blame the EU for their energy policies? They are far more exposed than us, we have only ever imported 2-3% of Russian energy which in hindsight was a GOOD thing and a great decision. So odd how you totally rewrite history.

I'm not talking about the EU, but yes, all countries who's energy security depends on fossil fuels being cheaply available have failed in their energy policy.

Also I thought you were arguing that Russia is to blame for the issues we are facing in the UK. Now you're saying they're not, or that the UK is more insulated from the impact than the EU, doesn't that make the governmets failure even larger?? Make you your mind please, it's a nightmare arguing with someone who can't remain consistent in their points.

China's lack of proper security control in high risk laboratories gave us Covid, how exactly do you feel the UK government could have ever foreseen that???

Ffs, you have the cheek to refer to my post as rot and you come out with this shite, genuinely laughable but I'll play along. The governments (labour and tory just to reiterate for you) could have acted on the reports from the 2007 Winter Willow and 2016 Exercise Cygnus simulations that assessed the UKs preparedness for an influenza type pandemic and found we were woefully under prepared for such an outbreak.

Everyone on the planet outsourced manufacturing to China, not just the UK.
Do you suppose Labour would have bucked this global trend? Seriously.

Seriously, why do you keep going on about Labour? And no not "everyone on the planet did" that, many western nations did, but even then key industries were kept alive due their economic importance to varying degrees.

Can you even bear to reread the rot you have written? It is utter nonsense and not remotely connected to the actual facts.

One of us is spouting nonsense anyway but it sure isn't me. Looking forward to your next post of word vomit. Be sure to include some line about the WEF or 5G won't you?

They won't be promising that, because they won't be delivering it.
Tax payers are getting very very tired of paying for it all.
Whoever promises to start backing the working population and supporting the case for ending the free ride of those choosing unemployment as a career will get my vote. I think most of us are sick of it. No more free rides. Everyone steps up. Goblin mode ends here - goblins need to get a life.

For anyone who said the OP telling them not to vote Tory makes them want to, has @Venetiaparties managed to swing you back hard left?

Whoever promises to start backing the working population and supporting the case for ending the free ride of those choosing unemployment as a career will get my vote.

Unemployment is the lowest it’s been for 20 years. 🤷‍♀️

It's a common theme with lefties these days - telling you what to do !
They always think they know best. and it's all cloaked in some 'greater good' philosophy. Oh and they think you are thick if you don't agree

I just feel more at home centre right these days. I find the people much less dictator-y, I've never met a frothing righty, telling me how I should vote. I've never really heard huge insults from the right towards the left - yes the usual woke accusations, but I've literally been called a racist, bigot murderer from the 'kind side', and it doesn't feel the same.

I've been on both sides - was a labour party member about 10 years ago. But for me, it's much nicer over the other side - much more abuse comes your way, but yeah, I feel better being identified with a group who are much less angry and ranty, calling people names and shouting them down while also claiming to 'be kind'. I sort of think it is some sort of projection - but that's another thread. And believe it or not, if you ever bother to listen to what conservatism is about (which this govt isn't really in any definition) then you would be surprised to hear that they have the same intentions as the left in reducing poverty, equaling opportunity etc. they just think the way to do it is through different means. Obviously that mainly falls on deaf ears, but that is fine too.

Agree 100%

I agree. I heard part of a piece on how we’re losing liberal left. Or the idea people have freedom of thought. To a more controlling version of the left. So authors etc are starting to pick up on it.

A lot of the you must do this puts me off too. The basic premise, as a feminist, has to be women get to vote as they wish based on their priorities.

I thought you might conveniently forget Labour did not/does not support NATO and many in the party are actively against NATO. Of course you want to gloss over that small but not insignificant fact given we are on the edge of WW3.

If you could read my posts you would understand that I hold Russia responsible for the energy crisis. Fact. I also think the UK do have a degree of insulation due to diversifying sources. Both are true.

We had plans for influenza outbreak, shame that covid is not influenza. You can't have a plan for something no one knows about strangely.

Labour are bloody useless, things will be even worse with Angela at the helm with Starmer pretending his in charge when we know the unions are really the power behind the party - and just look at the carnage they are creating.

And if you are woman, you can forget about being one for much longer - you will be rendered invisible with no rights anyway. So make the most of talking out loud now pal, as our days of women's rights and voices are on borrowed time.

"Asked whether it is transphobic to say that 'only women have a cervix', Sir Keir said: 'It is something that shouldn't be said, it is not right'

Asked why Ms Duffield should not have made the remark, the Labour leader said: 'I don't think that we can just go through various things that people have said"

Are you actually supporting a man that can not even bring himself to acknowledge the desperate need of women's rights. The right to safety in prisons, hospitals and even a toilet.

I don't think 1.22 million unemployed people is acceptable personally, especially when we have a record breaking number of vacancies (Genuine disabled and chronically ill people exempt obviously) Too many lazy freeloaders I am sorry to say.

Are you actually supporting a man that can not even bring himself to acknowledge the desperate need of women's rights. The right to safety in prisons, hospitals and even a toilet.

Well you seem to be - men have been in women’s spaces in prisons and hospitals numerous times on the Tories’ watch. It’s really inconvenient for you I realise that everything you criticise is the fault of the party you support. It’s pointless for you to keep saying “Yes, but Labour …” because they’ve been out of government for nearly 13 years. I’m afraid you have to own this mess.

Only an utter cunt could vote Tory at the moment. Don't have to love Labour but no one with an ounce of decency could vote them after they have destroyed our country. People will die this week because of them. They disgust me and anyone that choose to vote for them.

This is precisely why I could never vote for Labour. Too many thugs like Angela and choccolatte Aggressive and entirely incapable of reasoned debate.

@Thebestwaytoscareatory Technically I'm not using hindsight in this case as Labour never got in. So it's more a hypothesis than hindsight.

Woah! Back up a minute. The Labour Party have discovered how to mandate against death? Will this be in their manifesto? Sounds exciting!

At least the Conservatives ARE prepared to face this down, and are doing something about the rot that has set in. Labour are still taking orders from Stonewall. I am sorry but you are on a hiding to nothing trying to convince MN of all places that Labour have our backs, they most certainly don't and this is what Starmer said which sounds very ominous indeed:

Sir Keir added: "We need to have a mature, respectful debate about trans rights and we need to bear in mind that the trans community are amongst the most marginalised and abused communities, and wherever we've got to on the law, we need to go further."

So Starmer intends to INCREASE trans rights and laws and who will be sacrificed do you think?

How many men die a week versus women for instance? Of course many more women die at the hands of men every single day. Men with penises are not killed day in and day out. And yet Starmer can not even bring himself to acknowledge us as a protected characteristic with rights and visibility. It is outrageous.

We are all fucked if Starmer gets in, he is a massive advocate for silencing women and rendering us invisible.