To say don't vote Tory

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Little poll really to see how Mumsnetters feel towards the Tory Party

YANBU = I dislike how the Torys have managed the country
YABU = I like how the Tories have managed the country

I know it's unreasonable to tell you how to vote. I just think it will be interesting to guage their popularity on here.

You usually so easily manipulated @hamstersarse?🙈

Would be traditional for all parties to try and convince the population of this.

However some modern parties do seem to have a thing of blaming the electorate for not having voted as they wanted rather than looking at why.

Many posters on here take that even further and blame people for everything bad there after despite any other circumstances as they dare have different political views for a variety of reasons. It's a very odd way of winning people to your view point - but seems very popular at the moment.

Why would a random Mumsnetter, and stranger, influence your vote either way? Sorry to single you out but there have been a few similar posts.

I'm a politics graduate (of many years ago admittedly) and find this sort of emotional thinking baffling. It's not very logical is it and doesn't add anything to a political discussion.

I vote option C here - don’t vote for either of the two main parties but of the two
mains I can’t decide what’s less appealing.

This is so silly. It’s easy to sit there without money and say “of course if I had money I would vote left to make sure it’s shared out with everyone” but it’s not like that, is it, when it’s you with the money? Of course people are selfish, everyone is selfish. People without money vote selfishly to better their own interests, just as rich people do. People lie about it on here and pretend they vote out of the goodness of their hearts but that’s stupid.

@stickydoughnuts you appear to be agreeing with me, up to a point. I think the mental gymnastics MC folk go through to justify what is essentially a financially motivated vote are interesting though - especially when it's just as partisan as any vote - when you vote for worse public services your costs rise on insurance, health care, transport, education and the inevitable inflation and interest rate increases that always accompany neoliberal policies.

I will never vote Labour a party that wants me to work to pay for people like Shamima begum and support Hamas and Hezbollah

Well most of it is not the fault of any government. No one knew the pandemic was going to happen, the Ukraine war that has created a huge cost of living crisis.
believe Boris was trying to overhaul the social care policy in a very big way before he was kicked out.

Levelling up is difficult - really difficult, London is a global magnet for professionals looking to cut their teeth - it is world class and world beating in many important industries, so the SE will benefit from the talent pool and prosperity. Say whatever you like about London and the south, but it is the place to be career wise, and offers enormous opportunities and not everywhere can create a bubble of wealth and talent in that way. We are lucky to have such a thing as it supports many other jobs and industries nationwide.

Look I can't blame anyone for much of this, because it goes well beyond party stripes. Russia and China have a lot to answer for.

So does Austerity, Brexit, corruption and incompetence.

Quite.

This. We are having a clusterfuck now but much of it’s not the problem of the current govt

except the knock on off boris’ stupid flouting of rules = Liz Truss and that extra clusterfuck

Well that's a bit immature. Surely we should vote according the issues: the economy; public services; the ethics of the existing government/potential government; taxation/spending balance etc? Not because you feeling miffed about what some people say on SM. Especially as you don't even know who they are and are possibly trying to wind you up.

Why do Russia and China have a lot to answer for @Venetiaparties ? Is it Russia fault our current and previous governments failed to invest in energy security and infrastructure or China's fault we outsourced all our manufacturing needs to them?

The mess we are in now is squarely the fault of our governments ineptitude and short-termism. Russia and China are just convenient scape goats to divert attention from their failings.

Conservatives are a shitshow - no serious politicians, no interest in small business, highest taxes since Clement Atlee (so un-Conservative, it's not true). They're all liberals. No right-wingers among them.

Labour would decimate my family because they just don't like people like me and DH. So, god knows who we'll vote for.

This. And the reason public services are in such a woeful state is 12+ years of under investment. Thanks to a decade of ideological austerity the UK was in a far worse place when covid hit than it need have been.

Yanbu. But that doesn't mean Labour would have done any better. I will want an unequivocal statement from Labour on Brexit - no more fudging the issue.

I want to see manifestos in a year's time. I also want to see what new talent is coming through.

And I want to see how Rishi has got to grips with the financial crisis. He'll have had a year by then. Then I'll decide.

I don't think Labour would have necessarily done anything radically different on energy and Chinese manufacturing. We all saw these things very differently 10 years ago.

MN armchair warriors who love a bit of hindsight to make themselves sound knowledgeable.

And how they have resolved the nhs crisis of course.

Absolutely key !

It depends why you think Boris was actually removed...it had nothing to do with a birthday cake he didn't eat...

Why do you think he was forced to resign @Venetiaparties?

Please, don't be ridiculous. We wouldn't have even stayed in Nato if the Labour party had won! Corbyn was dead set against it. He is very sympathetic of the Russians even now after all butchery.

Do you also blame the EU for their energy policies? They are far more exposed than us, we have only ever imported 2-3% of Russian energy which in hindsight was a GOOD thing and a great decision. So odd how you totally rewrite history.

China's lack of proper security control in high risk laboratories gave us Covid, how exactly do you feel the UK government could have ever foreseen that???

Everyone on the planet outsourced manufacturing to China, not just the UK.
Do you suppose Labour would have bucked this global trend? Seriously.

Can you even bear to reread the rot you have written? It is utter nonsense and not remotely connected to the actual facts.

Some on here think that voting Labour will increase their benefits and give them a free ride. Accepted.

I won't be sharing that on a on line forum, but yes he was right about the dark forces.

Go on, tell us the secret to good hindsight since yours is so much better than everyone else's.

There’s more to public services than benefits. The NHS has been deliberately and systematically decimated over the last 12 years. Labour left it in a very good place in 2010 - now look at it. Waits of hours for ambulances, three week target for GP appointments, needless deaths due to undiagnosed cancer, all that’s happened on the Tories’ watch.