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To feel upset DH doesn't pay for me always

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Sleepysuzie · 06/12/2022 00:08

I have known DH for 3 years, been married 2 years and we are expecting our first DC in February. DH made 4 times my salary when we met until he was made redundant in January this year. DH has been unemployed until 2 weeks ago and has now settled for a temp job (he was getting desperate not being able to find something which paid as much as previous job) where he now only makes 2.5 times as much as me.

DH has always paid for all bills, food, mortgage (it's his property from before we met), dinners out, holidays, basically anything involving the both of us etc. and I pay for my own clothes, going out with my own friends, gifts for my own family etc. When I go on mat leave, the agreement is I'll use his credit card and not my own savings/money as I only get SMP.

Ok, so fast forward to.. I have noticed that if we're out and I fancy say a packet of crisps or go past a cafe and want to grab a coffee AND he doesn't want anything, he will stand back and let me pay for myself and not even offer to pay for me. (If he also wants one, he will pay for the both of us). It's not so much that I want him to pay, rather that he sees us as so separate that he won't even offer. Like I feel it's only £2, and you could more than afford it. And, I have recently gone to see a private dermatologist for a mole on my arm which I have had some trouble with getting seen by the NHS. I may be able to get it reimbursed by work's private health scheme but it's unclear as I'm a new employee. So at the appointment when it came to paying (£150 for the test they did.. the remainder for the consultation I will get an email from the company with the final bill) he just stood back and let me pay. He didn't even offer. He always says it's his responsibility to look after me but I feel like if it's anything to do with me, he won't do it and if it's something that's for both of us or for future children, he will happily pay.

AIBU being upset that he won't offer to pay? It makes me feel like he doesn't care about my health (the private appointment) or my wants.. he just takes responsibility for my needs.

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Sleepysuzie · 06/12/2022 01:36

OldFan · 06/12/2022 01:31

I would be very careful @Sleepysuzie . I don't get a good feeling from this. Make sure you keep your hand in with your career for a while each time between babies. If he's been divorced once already, his chances of a future divorce are increased.

Genuine question (I don't want tone to come across badly) - what is it that is giving you a bad feeling? What change would you like to see to reassure you?

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Mummyoflittledragon · 06/12/2022 01:38

As for the medical bill, you’re looking to be reimbursed. From your dh’s perspective, why would he pay for the treatment only for you to picked the reimbursement?

ElephantMeetRoom · 06/12/2022 01:40

Sorry, I thought you were talking anout your husband but then you started speaking like a child who is expecting to be paid for. How okd are you?

Where is your self-respect??

You think he should oay for you to show he cares for your "wants" not just "needs"? When you are clearly not even funding his needs, let alone wants. Why should a man pay for you?!?!? Pay for yourself!!

ElephantMeetRoom · 06/12/2022 01:41

Sleepysuzie · 06/12/2022 00:17

I'm not saying that I don't want to pay the £2, I'm just saying I find it stingy he won't offer.

Also, DH is 9 years older than me, way ahead in his career compared to me. And because of age gap I will basically spend next 7 years being in and out of work having our DC and not progressing in my career.

Get a better job and finad an equal relationship and stop expecting to live off someone else.

ElephantMeetRoom · 06/12/2022 01:43

Sleepysuzie · 06/12/2022 00:23

I'm going to add something here but didn't really want to but maybe it will provide some perspective. I feel like Islam has enough bad press but we're both practising Muslims and the religion states it's a husband's responsibility to look after his wife financially.

The mean people will say it's backwards, but honestly being pregnant with my first DC puts into perspective how much harder women have it compared to men. I have always been driven in my career and if I ever make anything near DH I'd be happy to go 50/50.. but as it stands I make a fairly entry level salary and DH is on 6 figures

Quit the sky fairies, get some self-respect and provide for yourself.

dollytot · 06/12/2022 01:46

I can't even with this thread.

Sleepysuzie · 06/12/2022 01:47

Mummyoflittledragon · 06/12/2022 01:35

By the sound of it, he basically pays for everything. You have been paying for more frivolous items, such as clothes for yourself (which judging by the £300 cuff links won’t be cheap), a. coffee, a few gifts for you family and a few too many takeaways recently.

Did you ever live alone before you got married or were you living with your parents? From your posts, I actually don’t think you live in the real world op, where a family earns your sort of salary and has to pay for rent/mortgage, utilities, council tax, food, clothes for themselves and their children, household insurance, transport and associated insurance / maintenance if it is a vehicle, school trips, holidays etc. The list is endless.

To top it off he is buying you a house in your name. Idk who will be expected to pay the mortgage. Are you letting it out? It seems to me, you dh couldn’t be more invested in giving you a fantastic standard of living if his life depended on it. The only caveat I would make is to see if he continues after you’ve had a child and to look at the split of labour. As he has the higher paying job, my bet is that he does less around the house. I wouldn’t be deciding definitely 4 kids. Working with 4 kids would be incredibly difficult.

He may not want to share finances because he’s more financially savvy than you and fear you may just end up squandering the money. If you want him to share money with you, you should consider how you could earn his trust. Right now, your spending patterns don’t facilitate that.

No, my clothes aren't that expensive. Maybe the most expensive is from the LK Bennett sale but they're typically Zara or Monsoon. I don't have anything designer. And I just wanted to treat DH the cufflinks for our first anniversary (it was a brand that matched his watch).

I lived with my parents before getting married. And yes, to some degree you are right - I don't have a good idea of how much it takes to run a household but I have asked DH to share this with me because I wanted to improve my financial literacy.

DH is financially savvy in the sense that he is an excellent saver. But he hasn't made any investments (beyond a work pension) and I am working to get him to sort that out (by way of an investment property). My family are a little more comfortable with investing in stocks and shares where's DH's family still live in a council house and haven't got any savings let alone investments. In that sense, I feel like I understand how to 'save better' than DH.

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ilovesooty · 06/12/2022 01:49

Sleepysuzie · 06/12/2022 01:36

Genuine question (I don't want tone to come across badly) - what is it that is giving you a bad feeling? What change would you like to see to reassure you?

I'll answer that - genuinely - because I feel the same.

You sound a bit unworldly, while he's older than you and has one marriage behind him.

He doesn't share finances and everything seems as though it's gifted. While he seems generous it doesn't sound as though he sees you as an equal. As I said it sounds patriarchal.

I also wonder how much activity he'll be doing in the household if you have four children and how seriously he'll support your career advancement.

ElephantMeetRoom · 06/12/2022 01:49

I pay for my phone. We share a car and DH pays for insurance and MOT.

I spend my money on my own clothes, any gifts we need to give to my side of the family

So how you'd expect a 17 year old living with their mum and dad to approach finances with their boyfriend then.

You're meant to be an adult!

ElephantMeetRoom · 06/12/2022 01:52

Sleepysuzie · 06/12/2022 00:57

I also just remembered something for everyone being so rude to me.. DH was married before me for 4 years and finances were done the same way. I didn't come up with this plan, it's what DH is happy with. And their split had nothing to do with money before any of you say that.

Loooooool. So not so strictly religious then.

Sleepysuzie · 06/12/2022 01:54

ilovesooty · 06/12/2022 01:49

I'll answer that - genuinely - because I feel the same.

You sound a bit unworldly, while he's older than you and has one marriage behind him.

He doesn't share finances and everything seems as though it's gifted. While he seems generous it doesn't sound as though he sees you as an equal. As I said it sounds patriarchal.

I also wonder how much activity he'll be doing in the household if you have four children and how seriously he'll support your career advancement.

At the moment he helps with everything cleaning (probably more than me) whereas I do all the cooking (or takeaways recently, but that will change once I get over my nausea). I'm happy to take care of the cooking, it's a passion of mine and I prefer my own cooking anyway. I do understand how the whole thing sounds patriarchal, and this isn't how I imagined things would be when I was single. I feel fortunate more than anything that I don't have to worry about money right now but I am concerned about how to 'futureproof' myself.

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Sleepysuzie · 06/12/2022 01:55

ElephantMeetRoom · 06/12/2022 01:52

Loooooool. So not so strictly religious then.

How do you mean? It's ok to marry and divorce if a marriage isn't working out..

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Sleepysuzie · 06/12/2022 01:56

ElephantMeetRoom · 06/12/2022 01:49

I pay for my phone. We share a car and DH pays for insurance and MOT.

I spend my money on my own clothes, any gifts we need to give to my side of the family

So how you'd expect a 17 year old living with their mum and dad to approach finances with their boyfriend then.

You're meant to be an adult!

In my opinion, it would be important to consider whether the couple earn equally or not.

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Sleepysuzie · 06/12/2022 01:57

ElephantMeetRoom · 06/12/2022 01:41

Get a better job and finad an equal relationship and stop expecting to live off someone else.

I have literally changed industries this year and doubled my previous salary in an attempt to improve my salary. I don't expect to live off DH, the way our finances are organised are DH's idea.

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ElephantMeetRoom · 06/12/2022 01:58

Before meeting DH I appreciated I would go 50/50 with my future spouse. I do feel fortunate that DH takes care of things. I wanted to understand how others with a similar financial situation work.

So what's your issue? You say you never expected him to pay but he pays all of your living costs as if you were a child and then you moan you had to buy your own coffee? 🤣

Mummyoflittledragon · 06/12/2022 01:58

ilovesooty · 06/12/2022 01:49

I'll answer that - genuinely - because I feel the same.

You sound a bit unworldly, while he's older than you and has one marriage behind him.

He doesn't share finances and everything seems as though it's gifted. While he seems generous it doesn't sound as though he sees you as an equal. As I said it sounds patriarchal.

I also wonder how much activity he'll be doing in the household if you have four children and how seriously he'll support your career advancement.

You can only take advantage of getting said investment property in your name because your dh is an excellent saver op. Is it a buy to let?

I do agree with this post a lot, which is why I said to evaluate things once you’ve had just one child. I share finances with my dh and wouldn’t want it any other way but we both started with no money and got our first house together, had already lived away from home etc.

I do think in order to share with your dh, you would need to be more worldly. Bills first. Your number one bill should be your £150 healthcare, which is something you came on here to say you feel disappointed and not cared for (something along those lines) because your dh didn’t step in to pay.

ilovesooty · 06/12/2022 01:59

Have you discussed how your pension will be maintained if you take time out for several children?

And I do think that you need to have a more jointly contributing and informed, transparent approach to household finances.

magma32 · 06/12/2022 01:59

I’m coming at this from a different angle op. Is your marriage registered? if not then you’re going to have to be quite smart with your money and not give up your financial independence because whilst things are good he will support you (but you’re not satisfied with his current level of support but this isn’t really about coffees is it I think you’re realising something isn’t quite right) we know what happens to many women when they take career breaks and have kids and their marriages aren’t registered or they’re unmarried.

Read the forums here on mumsnet, and ask muslim women who have ended up in shit’s creek because they were promised this and that -muslim men aren’t any more saintly than our non Muslim friends, they actually have validation to behave a certain way because ‘my money’ and ‘god said so’ they are a law unto themselves and sharia courts are useless as they can’t enforce anything which is why men don’t listen to them.

Bear that in mind before you think he wouldn’t do that to you or that he’s doing something amazing by supporting you
Things can get quite messy so if he’s keeping finances separate it’s more for his benefit.

Why not just share things when you’re sharing kids etc? Think about it. Look at marriage as a partnership rather than roles and responsibilities, but I know when you live by certain rules it’s easy to let them take over and cloud your judgement.

But I do think he’s protecting his assets from another divorce and I’m sure he walked away quite easily from the last marriage as he had nothing to lose financially.

Having said that if his wife was from abroad then their marriage most probably was registered but depends on how ignorant she was of her rights or access to advice or lawyers.
You say it wasn’t about money but you only have his side of the story.

Men can become quite financially abusive in some set ups especially when the woman gives up her job and has kids.

I know you think you’re really lucky etc but you’re at his mercy, he’s going to do what he wants to do.

I would have that property in your name first before you start giving up on your earning potential.
Make sure you go to the solicitors and see all the evidence.

Don’t let him fob you off.
Whatever he promises make sure it’s been made official.
If he’s stalling then you’ll know.

The insurance money he’s given you (is that your mahr?) won’t be worth much when you’ve supported his career by doing the child rearing and domestics without any help.

Be very careful.

The princess life is not what it’s cracked up to be, I’m sure it worked well in the Islamic utopia but modern Britain you don’t have much to fall back on unless you are properly protected.

Not just in divorce but inheritances too.

if you really are legally married then that is much easier, if he starts mistreating you just make sure you have enough money for a decent lawyer.

I wouldn’t worry about day to day spends if you’re legally married because it’s all family money anyway, he’s already financially committed by legal marriage (nikah only means nothing in this country by way of commitment) so I’m not even sure why you need insurance money ‘that you don’t touch’ when you’d be entitled to a whole lot more if you split up so that doesn’t add up to me.
So if you are legally married I wouldn’t worry about the small stuff, legally you will be entitled to half anyway but keep all evidence of your expenditures on your household too. I personally don’t like the fact he calls all the shots and you’re convincing yourself it’s okay.

ElephantMeetRoom · 06/12/2022 02:00

I know that. We both want that. And that's also why I understand I may not be able to progress career-wise as well as I could have otherwise. And I think given it's OUR children it's fair for me to think DH should carry more of the financial burden whilst I might be unable to improve my own financial situation.

The "financial burden" being your coffee and crisps?

Mummyoflittledragon · 06/12/2022 02:04

@magma32
Op won’t be entitled to half if they divorce soon. That would require a longer marriage. And if they stay together a long time, have these 4 kids, it could say in the opposite direction.

What I don’t understand op is why if you want to move out of the flat, you haven’t considered moving into another property and renting the flat out?

Mummyoflittledragon · 06/12/2022 02:04

*sway

ElephantMeetRoom · 06/12/2022 02:05

I lived with my parents before getting married

There's your problem. You're still behaving like a child and seem to think a husband should be a substitute parent. Grow up and behave like an adult.

magma32 · 06/12/2022 02:06

Mummyoflittledragon · 06/12/2022 02:04

@magma32
Op won’t be entitled to half if they divorce soon. That would require a longer marriage. And if they stay together a long time, have these 4 kids, it could say in the opposite direction.

What I don’t understand op is why if you want to move out of the flat, you haven’t considered moving into another property and renting the flat out?

I assumed because they have a child that should give her some rights to his assets as she’d be primary carer unless I read that wrong

Sleepysuzie · 06/12/2022 02:08

Mummyoflittledragon · 06/12/2022 01:58

You can only take advantage of getting said investment property in your name because your dh is an excellent saver op. Is it a buy to let?

I do agree with this post a lot, which is why I said to evaluate things once you’ve had just one child. I share finances with my dh and wouldn’t want it any other way but we both started with no money and got our first house together, had already lived away from home etc.

I do think in order to share with your dh, you would need to be more worldly. Bills first. Your number one bill should be your £150 healthcare, which is something you came on here to say you feel disappointed and not cared for (something along those lines) because your dh didn’t step in to pay.

No, the house we're in the process of buying is for us to live in. We need a bigger place because of incoming DC.. and DH would like to sell the flat we're in now (although I would prefer we keep it and rent it out).

I appreciate your advice. I would like to show DH I can be responsible with money. He does value what I say with regards to future investments. I said we should aim to keep the flat, keep the house we're buying now and one day when we move into our forever home, we can have two properties rented out. This wasn't on his radar at all before he met me, so I feel he does value some of what I have to say money-wise. It actually concerns me that he has a lot saved up but not invested a penny of it.

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Carbon12 · 06/12/2022 02:09

OP I'm Muslim so I understand your perspective.

It is your right for your husband to fully provide for you and your children within reason. From what you have said, it is clear that he is doing that.

However, your husband went from what sounds like a very high salary to significantly less. Even though his current salary may be quite considerable, it is still less than what he was used to. That's difficult for anyone. Yet, bills have stayed the same, if not, gotten higher.

As you're saying, your hubby is quite financially savvy. Chances are he's trying to not spend everything he has left over after all the monthly outgoings, and therefore, he is letting you buy your own coffee.

If you want to share finances more I wouldn't recommend for you to have a joint account where both salaries go in. Use your joint account to put in a set amount each month where all your bills and household spends go out of (groceries, council tax etc). You pay in equitably. Whatever is left at the end of each month, put it into a joint savings account.

That way you still have your personal accounts to spend on what you please.