To wonder why many on MN

[CourtneeLuv]

Are so pedantic, literal and joyless?

Other sites aren't like this

So have I.

Took me a couple of days to sort it out as they refused to believe I was genuine. If someone gets triggered by the slightest thing, maybe they are the problem, not the person seeking advice.

I've seen just as snippy responses from the mods so I wouldn't hold their opinion in much esteem.

It was proved once that one of them was part of the clique at that time.

Me too. I do believe though that if a post has had so many reports for this to happen the likelihood is that something's probably up. It would seem sensible to hide them and deal with the reports so far, and definitely overnight.

Maybe I have seen them but assumed it was night watch or something.

Back in my miss spent youth i was on an LJ community that was a convoluted off shoot of Stupid_free and it was FULL of mean girl bullshit. MN very often has the same vibe. I just assume those lj posters just didn't grow up and migrated here

I’ve seen some awful responses from MNHQ before!

It seems as if you don;t like the posters, or the site or the mods. What keeps you here?

My theory is a lot of unhappy, possibly drunk older women whose lives haven’t turned out as they wanted and who feel better if they vent their spleen at other, younger, less experienced women

And that is in no means nasty or judgemental - never mind ageist - @newmumtopreciousbaby? Perhaps you're part of the problem!

<spreads joy over the thread>

Maybe I am judgmental of them. It’s sad to see women my mother’s age acting like mean girl bullies.

Although many of your points are very valid the suggestion that older posters are to blame and that they may be drunk isn't at all pleasant.

The post from MNHQ here isn't opinion. It's factual clarification.

And do these women always state their ages?

I find that quite strange if they do.

Can tell as they talk about how old their kids are, how they hate working with younger people, and then there’s all the anti-trans stuff. Also the way they type and the language they use. Just isn’t the younger generations saying this stuff.

Just isn’t the younger generations saying this stuff.

I'm sure it's not. I mean I would assume there's a whole mix of posters saying this stuff, which is why your post sounded incredibly ageist.

Ding! Ding! Supporting women framed as 'anti-trans' - that's what it's really about. Lots of spurious attacks on MN because it's one of the places women can support other women and don't have to placate misogynists.

Thanks for the clarification. That is reassuring.

You don’t support other women though. You all attack each other all the time. And it isn’t all older women. My mum and her friends don’t do this, and also think the anti-trans radicalisation is weird and obsessive. My mum got sick of one of her mates going on about it all the time. They are in their 70s.

Wow . I really hope that's all stopped. That's awful

The thing is though that Mumsnet is a huge and diverse site- I've just googled and apparently the site gets about 8 million unique visits a month.

And I'm very very grateful that MN has refused to bow to what will have been extreme and constant pressure and allows (polite) discussion of trans issues. It has been virtually the only space that this has been possible for years. And given its name, bear in mind that a lot of posters are parents and feel very strongly about safeguarding children from harm. And the non-parents posting in the feminism sections also feel very strongly about protecting children. IMO this is an extremely good thing, and I'm optimistic that in a few years there may be some acknowledgement from wider society about the part MN has played in highlighting problems with these issues.

Define anti-trans radicalisation please.

Our deepest, humblest apologies to newmumtopreciousbaby's mum.

Meanwhile, my DH says...

Lol at this kind, friendly post.

They are miserable and discontent with their own lives so want everyone who dares to come on here to vent or for advice to be either reprimanded, or motivated to take a course of actions that will result in them being miserable and bitter too.

The nastiness and judgement about the nastiness and judgement in @newmumtopreciousbaby ’s post is 🙄
Not to mention the ageism. Lovely.

Some of us lived for years with horrible, nagging doubts and fears, before eventually accessing mental health support. When you've been through it, you can appreciate the difference it can make.
An enormous number of people are experiencing mental health issues, especially now, and it's not always easy to recognise from the perspective of the person going through it.

It's actually really condescending to criticise people who suggest it.

I only wish someone had recommended it to me a couple of decades ago.

Yes!