When the stakes are this high doesn't it make more sense to hear our story from us?

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what stakes? what are they on about?

It's like all things with Harry and Meghan. It usually overwrought. sometimes they lie (mostly Meghan over the secret wedding) and sometimes what they say isn't wrong but open to interpretation, like most things people say when you ask them for their side of it.

Woman's Hour was good on it this morning. Their guests were Catherine Mayer, journalist and co-founder of the Women's Equality Party. She also wrote a biography of King Charles. The other person was Jayne Fincher, a press photographer noted for being the only woman in the royal press pack at the time and who did some portraits of Diana, Charles and their sons. Diana was friendly with her but not as close she was to other journalists like Andrew Morton and Richard Kay.

I don't know about Jayne but Catherine had watched all three available episodes before appearing on WH. I thought her contribution was fair. She pointed out some untruths but also concluded that Harry and Meghan had some grounds for grievance.

Jayne concentrated mainly on saying Diana would be disappointed and that Harry was different now. No one could argue because he's a man not a child anymore but it didn't go much further and Diana is dead so no one, not even Harry knows what she would have thought about present day events.

It's worth a listen. It's on at the beginning and is about 10 minutes long.

David Yelland, a former editor of The Sun, was on Radio 4's World at One. He'd also watched all the available episodes and was balanced and fair. He accepted some but not all criticism of the press which I do too.

I wouldn't like to comment much further on their programme because I haven't seen it. But like everyone else who hasn't seen it I'm up for commenting in general.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001fwc4

Is it just me? I’ve just switched off half way through the third episode, I find it really dull. I don’t get the media outrage. It’s just self absorbed, navel gazing and rather dull drivel.

I find any autobiographical "documentaries" dull but in this case it's probably because viewers know how it ends.

Sparklypants, 3 eps in is quite a lot, it couldn't have been that boring

I'm watching the news and they are saying how many young people will sympathise with Meghan. I'm not so sure. Daughter is watching with her Uni friends and sending me snapchats of clips accompanied by howls of laughter from them all.

It doesn't deserve all the manufactured outrage. There's no big revelations. The media do treat high profile women badly. The UK media is more tightly controlled than the US so the anti-UK bias is just playing to their US audience.
There's nothing to bring down the monarchy or the UK political system. It's like implying the Kardashians could bring down Biden every time the siblings have a spat. 🙄
I'm surprised they included Doria. You could not pay me enough to put my parents in a reality series.

For me yes ,watching two and switching off by the third shows it’s dull, but I’m a binge watcher . I’m guessing you’ve not seen it then?

I haven't RTFT but read the first bit before the "documentary" aired. Did she actually say this quote in any of the episodes? I don't remember hearing it....

Yes.

And what was she referring to? Do you have a longer quote or do you remember if it was in the first episode?

I finished watching.

They seem a nice enough couple, happy and relaxed with each other.

No-one can dispute they, mainly she, was bullied incessantly by the press. It's all there in black and white and won't disappear. Whether that's racially motivated we will never know. It didn't seem like an attack on the RF particularly, more on the press.

I didn't hear anything particularly outrageous in the programme. It was all fairly tame in comparison to his parents public airings of their own dirty laundry. It's a bit hypocritical of Charles given his own public interviews that he thinks his child shouldn't have the right to do the same. I'm old enough to remember Charles own scathing attacks on his own parents parenting. None of this stuff is new news.

Even if none of it's true (and clearly some of it is) it doesn't matter. Society has spent the last decade telling people they have the right to feel how they feel. If they feel bullied or harassed then no one else has a right to dispute that's how they feel, even if there was no intent by the bully. They don't need to provide evidence, it's enough that they feel it.

H&M didn't say anything about their parents or in laws that hasn't been said a million times by people on this site about their own families (Apart from press offices of course). Those posters would be swiftly told to go no contact. Families fall out over the most minor of slights everyday.

I'm not one for airing my family secrets in public but I can see why they felt the need to so. It will all blow over, the public are quick to forgive.

One thing that did shock me though was that everyone seems very quick to judge her even when they know that the press have similarly treated other royal women and celebs. It's not like it's the first time they have systematically destroyed someone's life with their headlines and stories. I find it all a bit sad that the press are still allowed to get away with the shit that they write. As far as I can see she has every right to complain and every right to feel victimised. If she's up for standing up to PM and other disgusting journalists then good for her, and good for him for standing by his wife and not his family (another MN classic, your DH must stand by you and speak up for you at all times). Given that both Camilla and Kate have been subject to the same revolting treatment by the press they can hardly turn round and say it's all made up can they.