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When the stakes are this high doesn't it make more sense to hear our story from us?

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Believeinyou · 04/12/2022 00:06

what stakes? what are they on about?

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potniatheron · 06/12/2022 15:41

Diverseopinions · 05/12/2022 19:44

As Harry is said to be not very insightful and not very clever about working out life, I've often wondered if the skin tone reference, about Archie, might have been him saying that Archie would be a cross between him and Meghan and someone saying: "You do know that genetics doesn't work like that, do you? You can inherit colouring and features from a forebear - not just your mum and dad. Like some of we cousins have Queen Victoria's colouring and nose, and others don't. Like Beatrice has Victoria's features and doesn't look much like her Mum - not even when she was younger."

And Harry's gone: " Really? It's not just your parents's colouring and height, you are a cross between?".

And they've gone - " Wake up mate. Didn't you do all that and recessive genes, in school Biology".

Then Hapless Harry tells Meghan, and she's gone: " What! They said that our child might look more like Doria.?"

And he's gone: "No. They just said that that it's not necessarily the case that although Archie will be the Queen's first biracial grandchild, he will look like a black grandchild"

And she has asked"Who said that?". And he said "I did. I said I thought that, as I'm fair, our baby will be a mix of you and me, but a bit fairer because I'm very white and don't tan".

I can see that correcting his knowledge of how genetic inheritance works could have prompted the whole discussion...which badly reported to her, because he can't take information in, probably, gets mis construed by her, because she is sensitive about what people say and egocentric and thinks every conversation revolves around her.

No. What happened was that Harry went for a boozy lunch with Charles and Camilla, not long before he married Megan. This was back when he still loved his dad and tolerated his stepmum. They have a lovely long lunch, conversation was wide ranging and affectionate, irreverant and full of jokes. Towards the end of the lunch they were all talking about Harry and Megan's future children as Harry said he was very keen on kids. After various flights of fancy on how many kids he might have, what sort of people they'd be, what they'd look like, Camilla lightly mused on how unusual it would be if their future children had ginger Afros. Harry laughed uproariously. He's used to being lightly ribbed about his hair colour by his family. He went home and recounted the pleasant joke to Megan. She lost it. Half an hour of being berated later and Harry is now forced to get with the programme: it wasn't funny at all; it was horrible and racist. Yes Megsy, I understand, please will you stop shouting at me now? Ok.

This is why Harry looked to uncomfortable when Megan recounted the incident during the Oprah interview.

Sigma33 · 06/12/2022 15:50

limitedperiodonly · 06/12/2022 15:07

@Trollsintheforest why should Meghan and Harry be obliged to allow people into their home just because they are working with them or deserve vengeance for not doing so? That's a bit strong.

Would you do that? I wouldn't. I work on the premise that no one comes in unless it's my mum, the plumber or the police with a warrant.

I hate to bang on about being a journalist but despite fevered fantasies that's not how we operate.

Presumably you wouldn't sign up for an 'up close and personal' documentary about you life - I know I wouldn't.

limitedperiodonly · 06/12/2022 15:51

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 06/12/2022 15:01

I have changed my opinion of journalists. They're bloody awesome. Putting their lives on the line reporting from the frontline in Ukraine, risking the wrath of Putin reporting the truth in Russia, tirelessly unearthing corruption in our own government and risking being banned from press conferences for doing it.

There are however many who claim to be journalists these days who are not journalists. They are just opinionated knobbers with access to a media outlet.

@BringBackCoffeeCreams as a journalist your reverence for those journalists who risk their lives slagging of Putin and also those who slag off Meghan and Harry brings tears to my eyes.

Because you do care about all of them, don't you? Otherwise you wouldn't be on a thread slagging off Harry and Meghan and would be on one about Putin instead.

If it's not too intrusive, may I ask you what ties those three people together in your mind?

One is a ruthless despot who in just over 20 years has built a cult in his own image, eliminated all political opposition by fear and murder both at home and abroad, has cowed neighbouring countries and is now attempting to crush another one with no regard to their citizens or his own. He's plunged those countries who want to stick up for Ukraine into turmoil by cutting off gas supplies and hinting about nuclear war.

The other two are are annoying but nothing on that scale.

As a trained journalist I can't see the equivalence. But as a seeker after truth I ask: "What am I missing?" Do tell.

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 06/12/2022 16:06

limitedperiodonly · 06/12/2022 15:51

@BringBackCoffeeCreams as a journalist your reverence for those journalists who risk their lives slagging of Putin and also those who slag off Meghan and Harry brings tears to my eyes.

Because you do care about all of them, don't you? Otherwise you wouldn't be on a thread slagging off Harry and Meghan and would be on one about Putin instead.

If it's not too intrusive, may I ask you what ties those three people together in your mind?

One is a ruthless despot who in just over 20 years has built a cult in his own image, eliminated all political opposition by fear and murder both at home and abroad, has cowed neighbouring countries and is now attempting to crush another one with no regard to their citizens or his own. He's plunged those countries who want to stick up for Ukraine into turmoil by cutting off gas supplies and hinting about nuclear war.

The other two are are annoying but nothing on that scale.

As a trained journalist I can't see the equivalence. But as a seeker after truth I ask: "What am I missing?" Do tell.

As a trained journalist you need to brush up on your reading comprehension. I never said I had reverence for any journalist who slags people off. I was expressing admiration for reporters like Dmitry Muratov, who risk their lives speaking truth to power, and contempt for 'journalists' like Piers Morgan who just like to shout shite at people. If you can't see the difference I can't help you.

Gilmorehill · 06/12/2022 16:14

TopSec · 06/12/2022 15:12

What I don't understand is that they have all these pictures of Meghan crying into her hands and Harry obviously stressed, yet they managed to have a private photographer around them at that exact time. Not only that, Harry allowed them to photograph Meghan when she was, apparently, distressed. Given her mental health problems, for which (they say) she received no help from despite Harry being a big part of the Mental Health Charity "Heads Together" what husband would allow that, and at the same time stating that he "had to do everything he could to protect his family". This just does not make sense. I think they may have scored a huge big own goal with this.

Excellent point.

limitedperiodonly · 06/12/2022 16:16

Presumably you wouldn't sign up for an 'up close and personal' documentary about you life - I know I wouldn't.

@Sigma33 no I wouldn't unless someone offered me a lot of money. Then I'd think about it, as I believe many people would. But it would have to be a lot of money before I'd sit across a table and ask exactly what people wanted to know and whether I wanted to tell. That would involve lawyers but ultimately it would be my personal decision. I still might say no. Or I might say yes. It depends.

Those are my criteria but other people's would be different because we are all individuals. But act of agreeing to be interviewed doesn't mean anyone gives full access to their private life, home or contents of their knicker drawer or that journalists should expect it. You'd agree wouldn't you?

That would have been the arrangement before Prince Charles, as he then was, sat down with Jonathan Dimbleby to talk about aspects of his private life including his relationship with his ex wife.

limitedperiodonly · 06/12/2022 16:35

@BringBackCoffeeCreams as a fellow journalist I am sure Dmitry would ask the same thing as me. What is it in your mind that links Netflix irritants Harry and Meghan to Vladimir Putin, a despot who could spark World War III?

I asked that question before. Did you miss it while you were Googling or did you deliberately ignore it?

Anyway, what's your answer? Enquiring minds want to know.

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LadyEloise1 · 06/12/2022 16:36

TopSec · 06/12/2022 15:12

What I don't understand is that they have all these pictures of Meghan crying into her hands and Harry obviously stressed, yet they managed to have a private photographer around them at that exact time. Not only that, Harry allowed them to photograph Meghan when she was, apparently, distressed. Given her mental health problems, for which (they say) she received no help from despite Harry being a big part of the Mental Health Charity "Heads Together" what husband would allow that, and at the same time stating that he "had to do everything he could to protect his family". This just does not make sense. I think they may have scored a huge big own goal with this.

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Surely with his involvement in the Heads Together charity he would have lots of contacts and would be best placed to help Meghan get the best care. Not his family but Harry himself, her husband. That's who should be her first port of call.
I'd expect dh to help me with that one. Not his Dad etc.

Having a photographer film it. FFS 🙄

Sigma33 · 06/12/2022 16:46

limitedperiodonly · 06/12/2022 16:16

Presumably you wouldn't sign up for an 'up close and personal' documentary about you life - I know I wouldn't.

@Sigma33 no I wouldn't unless someone offered me a lot of money. Then I'd think about it, as I believe many people would. But it would have to be a lot of money before I'd sit across a table and ask exactly what people wanted to know and whether I wanted to tell. That would involve lawyers but ultimately it would be my personal decision. I still might say no. Or I might say yes. It depends.

Those are my criteria but other people's would be different because we are all individuals. But act of agreeing to be interviewed doesn't mean anyone gives full access to their private life, home or contents of their knicker drawer or that journalists should expect it. You'd agree wouldn't you?

That would have been the arrangement before Prince Charles, as he then was, sat down with Jonathan Dimbleby to talk about aspects of his private life including his relationship with his ex wife.

And I am sure that all got thrashed out beforehand.

The point I was trying to make was that it is irrelevant who you would allow in your house - we are not discussing the documentary being made about your life.

We are discussing a couple who have already let journalists in to their home to film.

That does not, of course, mean they have to let any and every journalist in, but it does suggest a slightly different approach to privacy than 'no one comes in unless it's my mum, the plumber or the police with a warrant'

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 06/12/2022 16:47

limitedperiodonly · 06/12/2022 16:35

@BringBackCoffeeCreams as a fellow journalist I am sure Dmitry would ask the same thing as me. What is it in your mind that links Netflix irritants Harry and Meghan to Vladimir Putin, a despot who could spark World War III?

I asked that question before. Did you miss it while you were Googling or did you deliberately ignore it?

Anyway, what's your answer? Enquiring minds want to know.

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Now you're just being rude so crack on reading stuff into what I said that I never said.

Sigma33 · 06/12/2022 16:50

LadyEloise1 · 06/12/2022 16:36

This 💯
Surely with his involvement in the Heads Together charity he would have lots of contacts and would be best placed to help Meghan get the best care. Not his family but Harry himself, her husband. That's who should be her first port of call.
I'd expect dh to help me with that one. Not his Dad etc.

Having a photographer film it. FFS 🙄

Or, of course, the medical team she chose for her pregnancy.

She seems to have chosen an incompetent team, who were either unable to ask her how she felt or unable to respond to her replies, or kept it a secret. But then, if she was willing to ask HR for help, why wouldn't she be willing to ask her medical professionals?

Sigma33 · 06/12/2022 16:51

or she kept it a secret...

Crankley · 06/12/2022 17:01

If ever I hear the truth spoken by either one, I'll probably drop down dead. Apparently in the released preview of their Netflix film Harry is talking over a shot of tens of cameramen taking shots saying 'I have to protect my family'. More lies and bullshit, the shot of the cameramen was taken five years before he even met Markle, the cameramen had been invited to the premier of a Harry Potter film. How can anyone ever believe anything they say?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/12/2022 17:03

I wonder if Netflix did this on purpose..?

Sounds a bit tin hat territory to me, but since it doesn't exactly make Netflix look good either what would be the point?

Unless they're hoping to create such a sh1tshow that H&M will feel driven to do yet another series of "their truth" and Netflix hope to get the rights to that too?

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 06/12/2022 17:10

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/12/2022 17:03

I wonder if Netflix did this on purpose..?

Sounds a bit tin hat territory to me, but since it doesn't exactly make Netflix look good either what would be the point?

Unless they're hoping to create such a sh1tshow that H&M will feel driven to do yet another series of "their truth" and Netflix hope to get the rights to that too?

Drum up interest? Will more people watch because the trailers are already stirring up outrage? How many would tune in if the pictures were all their dull, staged, perfect happy family snaps?

Diverseopinions · 06/12/2022 17:15

Gilmorehill · 06/12/2022 16:14

Excellent point.

I'd thought they must have been acting themselves for those shots/ sequences, whatever, I thought they were recreating what happened.

It would be quite fun if you could have a light-hearted drama with the other Royals joining in too - you know, being themselves, but a bit more rehearsed.

Exactly like .....'The Only Way is Essex'

How about....'The Only Way is Sussex'.

But, it doesn't feel humorous and entertaining, it feels horrible for Will and Kate and the poor children involved. Not to mention the poor late Queen, in her lifetime.

Diverseopinions · 06/12/2022 17:21

What a difference it would have made if that journalist had managed to pair Meghan up with Ashley Cole, when she was after him, before she met Harry.

Diverseopinions · 06/12/2022 17:37

What I'd like is for Netflix to update 'The Crown' - zoom forward in time to Harry meeting Meghan and have actors being them and interpreting their dramas. As we are told, 'The Crown' is not real life.

I think they'd be really annoyed seeing other people acting their story, instead of they themselves acting and dramatising it and inventing it.

limitedperiodonly · 06/12/2022 17:39

Diverseopinions · 06/12/2022 17:21

What a difference it would have made if that journalist had managed to pair Meghan up with Ashley Cole, when she was after him, before she met Harry.

Meghan asked about him and the journalist said she could do better.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/12/2022 17:41

Drum up interest? Will more people watch because the trailers are already stirring up outrage? How many would tune in if the pictures were all their dull, staged, perfect happy family snaps?

Well yes, but if all this "hounding" is true I''d have thought there'd be evidence of it that Netflix could use to create the interest?

Dittosaw · 06/12/2022 17:44

I honestly believe the RF and H&M are deliberately exaggerating this “Feud” Kardashian style for attention and it’s working like a charm. They are all over the papers every day and keeping their position by having the two sides argue over who is right. Love them or hate them but don’t ignore them.

Once I realised, I lost all interest in their drama. Now, it might be accidental but I can’t be bothered with it these days.

Trollsintheforest · 06/12/2022 17:46

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/12/2022 17:03

I wonder if Netflix did this on purpose..?

Sounds a bit tin hat territory to me, but since it doesn't exactly make Netflix look good either what would be the point?

Unless they're hoping to create such a sh1tshow that H&M will feel driven to do yet another series of "their truth" and Netflix hope to get the rights to that too?

Well, to create more interest and free pr? It certainly worked. Everyone from DM & BBC have been analyzing the photos.

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 06/12/2022 17:47

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/12/2022 17:41

Drum up interest? Will more people watch because the trailers are already stirring up outrage? How many would tune in if the pictures were all their dull, staged, perfect happy family snaps?

Well yes, but if all this "hounding" is true I''d have thought there'd be evidence of it that Netflix could use to create the interest?

It does make you wonder doesn't it. 'Their truth' seems as believable as my mother's truth and she believes lizard people are trying to take over the world. Sometimes it doesn't matter what the evidence says your feelings say otherwise and that's what counts apparently.

IcedPurple · 06/12/2022 17:48

Dittosaw · 06/12/2022 17:44

I honestly believe the RF and H&M are deliberately exaggerating this “Feud” Kardashian style for attention and it’s working like a charm. They are all over the papers every day and keeping their position by having the two sides argue over who is right. Love them or hate them but don’t ignore them.

Once I realised, I lost all interest in their drama. Now, it might be accidental but I can’t be bothered with it these days.

Only one 'side' is promoting this 'feud' however.

LadyEloise1 · 06/12/2022 17:57

Diverseopinions · 06/12/2022 17:21

What a difference it would have made if that journalist had managed to pair Meghan up with Ashley Cole, when she was after him, before she met Harry.

You are naughty @Diverseopinions
😂

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