When the stakes are this high doesn't it make more sense to hear our story from us?

[Believeinyou]

what stakes? what are they on about?

😂😂😂

We just need a lie detector test!

It'd blow up under the strain.

My dil is adopted so my ds did speculate what his dc may look like as we had no idea what her biological parents looked like. Dil found it hilarious too.
The first thing I said when she finally found her bio mum was that’s who dgc gets their eyes from.
In every other respect dgc looks like my ds.

This ‘only we know’ is garbage. Can anyone help me remember any really awful stories about M before Megxit that could have been ‘planted’. I just remember the wedding stuff. It seems they are trying to portray the palace as planting negative things but the wedding stuff is all I can think could have been planted, which isn’t a massive big deal.

I wonder if the series will show that clip of the RF on the balcony for some big event (?) Trooping the colour and Meghan kept turning to Harry to chatter just as God Save The Queen was striking up and Harry repeatedly told her to turn around. When she did her face was like thunder.
Probably the last time Harry has told her to do anything.

They might have had some valid criticisms, they've made them. At this stage they're basically just extortionists. I'm pretty sure Harry would have turned Netflix away if daddy had matched their offering. It's absolutely vulgar.

Gilmorehill I believe it's been alleged that Jason Knauf, having gone to work for W&K, was behind some of the less pleasant media articles about H&M, though AFAIK there's no actual evidence for this - in other words while the principle may or may not be sound it's yet another thing we can't yet know

Whereas H&M's actual use of Knauf to place their stories is fully evidenced via the court submissions, and I don't know how much more damning it could be than "I agree that we have to be able to say we didn’t have anything to do with it" in reference to collaborating with Finding Freedom

Watching that trailer I now understand why and believe harry did try to pull it back it’s going to be very bad, he’s full on going after them and trying to destroy the royal family

it’s also bullshit, all this I had to leave they were never going to protect you nonsense, we all remember the statement saying they were going to America to earn money and would still be coming back to do royal engagements. The half in half out split our time nonsense, it was the queen who said no, either all in or all out, you can’t monetise it, they were not for going at all. And they bloody wanted paying when they went. They wanted financial xupporting and their security paid for.

do they really think the public can’t remember?

Who is the "they" that should have protected her?

Does he mean from the media?

The funny thing about the line MM says that’s in this thread title - literally no one else has tried to tell their story. Bland statements from the palace press team isnt giving another side to the story they’re just stating facts that they’ve stepped down as senior royals etc. they’re utterly deluded and paranoid that everyone is out to get them. Diana was exactly the same, a delusional fool who believed her own hype.

Indeed

Very true

Harry has apparently always been bitter about being the younger brother, not the heir.

This bitterness was nurtured by Diana who apparently never ceased to remind him that he was the spare not the heir. (Charles was very careful never to do this and got cross when Diana did - it was one source of their many arguments).

Megan has obviously nurtured his grievances still further until he now seems to labour under the delusion that the hierarchy was made up specific to get at HIM, rather than being a fundction of the royal fmaily for many centuries.

I did feel sorry for her when I saw that. I married into a different culture and can remember times when I was basically humiliated for doing the ‘wrong’ thing. I felt that was M’s main problem was cultural differences. However it’s gone way too far now. The level and length of bitterness is ridiculous. As a pp reminded me, they wanted half in and half out, so royal life can’t have been to bad. I think it was the lack of control and unwillingness to play a team game in the RF that motivated them to move to North America.

No idea, but iirc most of the Oprah interview also referred to “they did/didn’t
do this/that” which many presumed to mean the Royal family, but equally could have been referring to the palace staff. Very convenient as if you don’t specifically point the finger to anyone, then it’s very difficult to deny.

I'm wondering where this info came from. Who is the source ?
Why blame Diana ?

Andrew Morton's book, Diana Her True Story is my main source.

Diana herself is alleged to have cooperated with Morton on this book.

She admitted to Morton that she was very conscious of Harry's status as the spare and felt he needed special treatment and a little more leeway to compensate for this.

Her intentions may have been good but as the marriage with Charles got worse and worse and William began naturally to cleave to Charles a little more, the seeds of Harry's distrust of Charles and William were sown and you can see that latent paranoia has now come to fruition under Megan's tutelage.

I ought to add that it would be wrong to say I 'blame' Diana, I don't, she was in a horrible marriage and naturally sought emotional support from her boys, William in partiular has recently talked about how she did this, and how he actually found it quite traumatic at times, however I don't blame Diana I don't think she was mentally well all the time and she probably felt like she needed people on her team because she was paranoid Charles was trying to have her assassinated.

Unfortunately I believe both William and Harry were damaged by their parents' fractured marriage and what went on afterwards, Harry seemingly more than William, since Harry also has a huge hatred for Camilla going on whereas William doesn't.

William perhaps has realised that it's not as simple as his dad was all bad & his mum all good.

Perhaps also felt the pressure (duty?) to marry & have kids.

He might now as an adult simply be pleased for his dad to be happy & have someone who he feels is a good support.

He also married someone from a close family.

they wanted half in and half out, so royal life can’t have been to bad

that’s the thing, they are acting like they ran for their lives, literally, that they were in danger, bullied, their very lives ar risk.

when in reality they literally wrote the below statement

“After many months of reflection and internal discussions, we have chosen to make a transition this year in starting to carve out a progressive new role within this institution.

“We intend to step back as ‘senior’ members of the Royal Family and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty The Queen.

“It is with your encouragement, particularly over the last few years, that we feel prepared to make this adjustment.

“We now plan to balance our time between the United Kingdom and North America, continuing to honour our duty to The Queen, the Commonwealth, and our patronages.

“This geographic balance will enable us to raise our son with an appreciation for the royal tradition into which he was born, while also providing our family with the space to focus on the next chapter, including the launch of our new charitable entity.

“We look forward to sharing the full details of this exciting next step in due course, as we continue to collaborate with Her Majesty The Queen, The Prince of Wales, The Duke of Cambridge and all relevant parties.

“Until then, please accept our deepest thanks for your continued support”

the Queen then responded with her own statement after all rhe public speculation about how they would be funded

Today my family had very constructive discussions of my grandson and his family. My family and I are entirely supportive of Harry and Meghan's desire to create a new life as a young family. Although we would have preferred them to remain full-time working Members of the Royal Family, we respect and understand their wish to live a more independent life as a family while
remaining a valued part of my family. Harry and Meghan have made clear that they do not want to be reliant on public funds in their new
lives. It has therefore been agreed that there will be a period of transition in which the Sussexes will spend time in Canada and the UK. These are complex matters for my family to resolve, and there is some more work to be done, but I have asked for final decisions to be reached in
the coming days.

they had a meeting, and made those decisions and the queen then said

Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.

Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family.

I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.

I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family.

It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life.

with this added

statement from Buckingham Palace

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are grateful to Her Majesty and the Royal Family for their ongoing support as they embark on the next chapter of their lives.

As agreed in this new arrangement, they understand that they are required to step back from Royal duties, including official military appointments. They will no longer receive public funds for Royal duties.

With The Queen’s blessing, the Sussexes will continue to maintain their private patronages and associations. While they can no longer formally represent The Queen, the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty.

The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have shared their wish to repay Sovereign Grant expenditure for the refurbishment of Frogmore Cottage, which will remain their UK family home.

Buckingham Palace does not comment on the details of security arrangements. There are well established independent processes to determine the need for publicly-funded security.

This new model will take effect in the Spring of 2020.

so they didn’t run for their lives. They are trying to rewrite the recent history we all witnessed and they are clearly being spiteful because of rhe decisions not to give them their way.

@adriftabroad

On a similar theme, we all assume that the 'skin tone' comments were negative about M's heritage. But what if it was a comparison saying it's a good thing, and way better than being a ginge?

Now, that could still cause offence and perhaps who the baby might take after looks-wise should be a totally taboo subject. But if the different recollection was "I was joking about being ginge", then I think the underlying motivations and attitudes could be quite different

(Yes I know this is purely speculative)

we have chosen to make a transition this year in starting to carve out a progressive new role within this institution.

And this was without clearing it first?

They just assumed that they could do this?

If so, wtaf was Harry thinking?

@WinnieTheW0rm yes, I thought the same thing.

Why is it bad? My husband is Spanish with very dark skin and I have more Irish , pale coloured skin. DD has lovely Olive coloured skin.

What is wrong with talking about skin vs say, eye colour? Or, like you say, hair colour. So many posters have said the same.

Especially if it was someone like Catherine who would not have been being racist at all IMO.

But I think they like dangling the sword over whoever said its head. I think increasingly it was William or Catherine.

I've seen clips of Meghan crying and Harry putting his head in his hands.

Are they acting themselves, then? They didn't take photos and or video shots of themselves at the time, presumably - so they are recreating themselves, like The Crown, but without Debra Debiki ( is it?) more themselves, acting what it would have looked like.

Isn't a bit dangerous for Meghan to show that she can act putting on the tears and looking upset? Won't it look like they both just act their way through life now, especially her? He's being a wooden actor, as presumably that's all he can do - being a prop; putting his head back to look lost in some indeterminate emotion.

I suppose the whole film will be shot in f black and white, as usual, to create deep shadows of meaningfulness between them, and to stop Harry looking like the court jester, by shading out his expressions and giving him a gravitas which he has never possessed.

As Harry is said to be not very insightful and not very clever about working out life, I've often wondered if the skin tone reference, about Archie, might have been him saying that Archie would be a cross between him and Meghan and someone saying: "You do know that genetics doesn't work like that, do you? You can inherit colouring and features from a forebear - not just your mum and dad. Like some of we cousins have Queen Victoria's colouring and nose, and others don't. Like Beatrice has Victoria's features and doesn't look much like her Mum - not even when she was younger."

And Harry's gone: " Really? It's not just your parents's colouring and height, you are a cross between?".

And they've gone - " Wake up mate. Didn't you do all that and recessive genes, in school Biology".

Then Hapless Harry tells Meghan, and she's gone: " What! They said that our child might look more like Doria.?"

And he's gone: "No. They just said that that it's not necessarily the case that although Archie will be the Queen's first biracial grandchild, he will look like a black grandchild"

And she has asked"Who said that?". And he said "I did. I said I thought that, as I'm fair, our baby will be a mix of you and me, but a bit fairer because I'm very white and don't tan".

I can see that correcting his knowledge of how genetic inheritance works could have prompted the whole discussion...which badly reported to her, because he can't take information in, probably, gets mis construed by her, because she is sensitive about what people say and egocentric and thinks every conversation revolves around her.