When the stakes are this high doesn't it make more sense to hear our story from us?

[Believeinyou]

what stakes? what are they on about?

You really can’t just do a quick run down of why you want us to tell you what the connection is between the Sussexes and Vladimir Putin? I CBA reading back through your drivel posts and given that no one has answered your special question it may be just that it’s because it’s utter nonsensical bollocks? Rather than other people not having a sTRonG GraSp

To be fair, though, it's good they lectured politicians who had been supplying arms, tech, trainers and support for a long period of time. It's comforting that they're on the ball after a large-scale invasion which was flashed around the world on 24 hour news. After all, their words are worth so much more to the Ukrainians than all the hardware that had already been delivered. The US, the EU, the UK and NATO would have been lost without their concern. 🙄

Harry and Meghan are right bloody whiners but after Charles and William dropped Lady Susan Hussey like a hot potato I am willing to believe there might be a bit of a problem with racism at the Palace and they want to distance themselves from it.

I suspect that

1. there are a few hangers on that the Queen enjoyed the company of who Charles is dying to give the boot to
2. After the race accusations and a dodgy Carribean tour, the first hint of the Lady Susan transcript left the RF with absolutely no choice but to act swiftly and with a huge apology. And rightly so

Someone was racist and they sacked them. It's not distancing, it's doing the right thing.

I don't want you to tell me anything. Look it up or don't. If you then want to tell me something feel free. If not, don't

OK @limitedperiodonlymy answer is <rubs templates> they’re all humans?

Am I right? Do I get a gold star?

Of course it was the right thing. It is also correct to say Charles and William distanced themselves from her but it is incorrect to say she was sacked. She resigned which was convenient for them. They probably would have sacked her if they had to but this was easier. That may have been suggested to her.

Lady Susan's reported exchanges with Ngozi Fulani were racist and also prolonged and goading which made it worse. I suspect Charles and William told her she had to jump or they would push her. She jumped and William made a statement about how racism was never acceptable. Because she resigned they were able to distance themselves from her. That doesn't make them good people but it does make it more convenient for them. I wonder if when they were told about it they concluded that it was the kind of thing Lady Susan was likely to have done.

I have no idea whether they are racist and maybe they aren't but she is. Her age is not an excuse. I have white family members of the same age. They might have said something like that (and I'm heavily emphasising the "might") but they definitely would not have persisted in it. This not a dotty old lady but someone whose job it has been for 60 years to meet and greet all sorts of people.

She made a very similar comment to Nazir Afzal, former Chief Crown Prosecutor for the North West of England at the same reception asking him where he was from and affecting puzzlement when he said he was British. He only has to open his mouth for anyone to know he is a Brummie. He tweeted about it in support of Ms Fulani probably because he anticipated she would be accused of lying. He said it in a lighthearted manner but he meant it. I'm sorry that he was racially abused too but I'm glad he was able to support Ms Fulani's account. Someone like him would be hard to discredit. I don't know whether the Palace read his tweet before Lady Susan decided to resign.

I'm not trying to be a twat, I genuinely don't know where you've got this notion from, that's all.

You said:

@BringBackCoffeeCreams as a journalist your reverence for those journalists who risk their lives slagging of Putin and also those who slag off Meghan and Harry brings tears to my eyes.

Because you do care about all of them, don't you? Otherwise you wouldn't be on a thread slagging off Harry and Meghan and would be on one about Putin instead.

If it's not too intrusive, may I ask you what ties those three people together in your mind?

Are you saying that because this poster admires journalists who "slag off" Putin, and she is also on this thread about the Sussexes, she therefore admires journalists who "slag off" the Sussexes, and that she therefore considers Putin and the Sussexes to be somehow the same?

Because that is some very convoluted logic.

@TruestRepairman no, that's not what I'm saying. Do want another guess? It's up to you. There won't be a prize.

This is what I mean about the whole Putin link being utter nonsense.

Rather than your pathetic challenges of people trying to unravel your ridiculous alphabet soup of words, you could just tell us what you mean?

Because for a journalist you have poor writing comprehension. And I agree with @TruestRepairman it sounds like you think people are saying journalists who speak out against H&M are sticking their neck on the line on the same way anti-Putin journalists are

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet no that's not what I'm saying. I'm afraid you don't get a prize either.

No, ta. I'm out. I tried

Glad it's not just me, Lyds

OK, third time lucky:

Is it because both M&H and Putin appreciate the real integrity of proper journalists who write about Love Island constants going shopping and how red is the new green? Brave, unsung heroes that the journalists are #PrayForJournos

🐿 🐦 ♟ 🥱

Anyone can say they're anything. When all evidence points to the contrary, I tend not to believe them.

Well I have watched a bit - so far all I can say is that for someone who worked so much in the visual arts, Meghan can't hold her fucking phone the right way round when making a video on it.
Everything I have seen so far is just vague nonsense, but I didn't get very far in.

DH has his office Christmas dinner tonight, so if the kids go to bed at a decent time I may watch an episode or two.

Someone at the Beeb seems to be live reporting whilst watching the episodes that have dropped today!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-63876934

Haha. So in addition to Catherine not taking Meghan shopping and Catherine making Meghan cry we can now add in that Catherine doesn't like hugs from new girlfriends of her brother in law.

Such a shame M couldn't get C to come on the Archewell podcast exploring the B word.

I hate huggers too I’m with Catherine on that (if it’s even true). It’s ok not to want a personal boundary to be crossed. I won’t even hug my mates unless I’ve had a few drinks 😂

I'm not a hugger either - the first time I hugged my brother in law was at my wedding to his brother - I'd known him 6 years at that point!

Disclaimer - he lived on the other side of the country so I only saw him 2 or 3 times a year at most!

It's just part of the "I am warm, empathetic and genuine, and they are cold, uptight, weird and repressed" narrative that MM has adopted. The plot of 1,000 culture-clash TV movies, and similar in some ways to the manic pixie dream girl trope, where an unhappy, emotionally blocked man is "saved" by a beautiful, warm, kooky woman.

I've become more "huggy" as I've got older but I'm still not a great one for hugging when I meet someone for the first time.

Is that British necessarily or individual preference?

Also what is a hug?

I tend to do the hold by elbows & air kiss initially rather than an embracing hug iyswim?