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To think this is racist?

180 replies

Toospicey · 01/12/2022 18:38

This FB post is doing the rounds amongst my friends.

Is it just me?

To think this is racist?
To think this is racist?
To think this is racist?
To think this is racist?
OP posts:
PAFMO · 01/12/2022 21:15

Coughybreak · 01/12/2022 21:06

Don't large shops have security guards? I don't see what's so hard to believe.

What does surprise me, on Mumsnet, is how many more readers are expressing concern about possible racism than about the little girl or her mother.

The "mall" in question has about 10 shops still open. The shops inside it are on their last legs and certainly in the afternoons, it's stone cold dead. There's a bloke stands by the main doors but that's about the only security around.
Ashford police station is about a 15 minute walk away.

It is clear the woman thinks the man was trying to abduct her daughter. It's clear that her version of events is not the truth. There is no way on this planet, based on HER version, that this man was arrested, charged, bailed and banned from the area for 2 months (returning 3 days ago)

The fact that 300 people on FB have shared the post and on that post she has a picture (presumably of the man- when was that taken? On the day so many other things happened including the nails/abduction/dna swabbing (why would this even be done? They weren't trying to trace the perp- they'd already arrested him- he was with the police after only 15 minutes. And DNA? Wtf? Did he lick the arm? Spit on it? ) Or is she and her vigilante mates following this guy now?

bellac11 · 01/12/2022 21:17

A lot of it sounds made up to be honest

And if you just read the first page it seems ok as its just descriptive but if you read all the way through she is clearly racist.

Pepsipepsi · 01/12/2022 21:18

@Toospicey none of the family looked that traumatised on the holiday photo the mother uploaded as a profile pic in September.

Also the mother posted public photos of her teenager crying twice in 2021 for attention and likes. Mum of the Year award coming her way. Honestly the whole Layla abduction post is the typical semi-illiterate made up bullshit you see online, with the sole aim of peddling bigotry.

Conkersareback · 01/12/2022 21:19

Pepsipepsi · 01/12/2022 21:18

@Toospicey none of the family looked that traumatised on the holiday photo the mother uploaded as a profile pic in September.

Also the mother posted public photos of her teenager crying twice in 2021 for attention and likes. Mum of the Year award coming her way. Honestly the whole Layla abduction post is the typical semi-illiterate made up bullshit you see online, with the sole aim of peddling bigotry.

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Coughybreak · 01/12/2022 21:19

GCAcademic · 01/12/2022 20:47

I’ve lost track of the number of these posts on FB I’ve seen over the years about attempted abductions, always by foreign men. At one point, just before 2016 referendum, they were always Polish.

This one will be a load of bollocks, like the rest of them.

How did you find out they were untrue? I wouldn't know what research I could do to establish the facts in each case.

A case that hasn't gone to court would be very unlikely to be covered by the mainstream media. If police issued a warning the press would probably report that. But I can't see the police telling everyone who asks if a woman complained that a man tried to lead her child away. So I don't know how you or I would get that information.

As an academic, do you have access to better sources of information than the general public?

If you don't have direct evidence that they were invented, it seems strange that you automatically dismiss women's accounts of a distressing experience.

Newmum0322 · 01/12/2022 21:20

It’s the ‘our children’ but. Yes that’s off.

The rest is a description and explanation of his reasoning etc… but the ‘our children’ is othering!

Conkersareback · 01/12/2022 21:22

@Coughybreak women do lie, they can also lie about events with their children.

You need to decide on a post by post basis.

The timeline in this is questionable.

Autumnnewname · 01/12/2022 21:23

Hmmm she's was waiting for CID to get back to her and they can "appeal"

Unbelievable. Attention seeking

Conkersareback · 01/12/2022 21:24

@Coughybreak also the level of information, how does she know he's lived here for 20 years? Who told her that?

Showmethecardis · 01/12/2022 21:25

I just googled Layla Asian man and got an erotic story.,,,,

Autumnnewname · 01/12/2022 21:27

Showmethecardis · 01/12/2022 21:25

I just googled Layla Asian man and got an erotic story.,,,,

The name and the town brings it up in all its "OMG hun" glory

DoubleShotEspresso · 01/12/2022 21:37

I think it's poorly worded but not racist.

crussont · 01/12/2022 21:38

DoubleShotEspresso · 01/12/2022 21:37

I think it's poorly worded but not racist.

HAVE YOU READ EVERY PAGE? It's bloody racist. It's awful.

Coughybreak · 01/12/2022 21:40

Conkersareback · 01/12/2022 21:22

@Coughybreak women do lie, they can also lie about events with their children.

You need to decide on a post by post basis.

The timeline in this is questionable.

I can see where there could be discrepancies, but nothing that shouts "not true" to me.

I presume they went to Heathrow the day before because they had a cheap flight leaving at some ungodly hour of night. The policeman may have shared information, perhaps unofficially, because he was annoyed that the offender wasn't going to be charged. And the fellow could have hung around long enough to be arrested because he had mental health problems; in my case, after I ran away, the man followed me back to the place he'd taken me from.

I can't see the police or a solicitor thinking the Chinese embassy would give them information about someone's asylum claim, though! The mother may have misunderstood something. But on the other hand, who knows what she was told?

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 01/12/2022 21:42

Yes it is.

I’d be interested in knowing what she means when she says this man “had hold” of her DD - as in picking up and running?

I‘M also wondering how she’s seemingly knows so much about this man - I doubt the police would share personal info. Asylum from China? What?

User2145738790 · 01/12/2022 21:44

Oh no, poor grown man. 😢

Conkersareback · 01/12/2022 21:44

*I presume they went to Heathrow the day before because they had a cheap flight leaving at some ungodly hour of night. The policeman may have shared information, perhaps unofficially, because he was annoyed that the offender wasn't going to be charged. And the fellow could have hung around long enough to be arrested because he had mental health problems; in my case, after I ran away, the man followed me back to the place he'd taken me from.

I can't see the police or a solicitor thinking the Chinese embassy would give them information about someone's asylum claim, though! The mother may have misunderstood something. But on the other hand, who knows what she was told?*

And you only see discrepancies? Grin

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 01/12/2022 21:45

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 01/12/2022 19:08

Why all the preamble about getting 'holiday nails' done?

To show everyone how happy and wonderful their family are

WildImaginings · 01/12/2022 21:45

The last page is clearly racist.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 01/12/2022 21:47

SoundsOfThunder · 01/12/2022 19:44

"Cultural misunderstanding" seems like a very odd reason to give. Why not make up some actual reason? He thought she was lost or she went up to him or whatever.
Wtf is his cultural misunderstanding.
I think the whole thing is odd.

It’s hard to tell when it’s half made up story 😂

704703hey · 01/12/2022 21:48

crussont · 01/12/2022 21:38

HAVE YOU READ EVERY PAGE? It's bloody racist. It's awful.

I have to admit I wondered what the fuss was about at first skimreading as I didn't realise there were so many other pages.

But yes instead of saying be vigilant about your children the writer specified 'these Asian men' which makes it racist.

WildImaginings · 01/12/2022 21:48

Christ... there's a lot of closeted (or not so closeted) racists on this post 🙃

DoubleShotEspresso · 01/12/2022 21:49

@crussont yes I read the complete OP.

I agree with previous posts that Asian is used as a descriptive as opposed to racism.

Whoever wrote this clearly felt strongly enough that others needed some kind of warning. But the wording is far from what I'd choose personally, but that doesn't make it racist no.

Conkersareback · 01/12/2022 21:51

WildImaginings · 01/12/2022 21:48

Christ... there's a lot of closeted (or not so closeted) racists on this post 🙃

So true!

WildImaginings · 01/12/2022 21:52

'SOME OF THESE ASIAN PEOPLE'

Anyone who read that sentence and didn't think the post was racist is, well...