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Strange behaviour from a teacher

170 replies

Spoonfullofconfusion · 30/11/2022 23:30

Ok, this happened a couple of weeks ago but I’m still annoyed. My daughter got in trouble at school for using her phone and recorded something that went on in her class. No faces shown, no names mentioned. Had a phone call from school to tell us they were aware of this recording and she had been put in internal exclusion. School always ring me first before dad but luckily dad was able to hear the conversation after I placed the call on loud speaker. Bit of back story my daughter has be having trouble with some girls and at time’s been ganged up on, we thought this was the reason he was ringing us. I’m aware my child is no angel all the time but these girls have a history so I do believe my daughter when she tells me things plus I have a way of getting the truth from her eventually. We have worked with teachers when there has been problems, either with homework or bullying and have always had adult and productive conversations with other teachers and have worked towards sorting out any problems that have arisen in the past.
Anyway my aibu is more about the teacher that rang regarding the recording and his actions and behaviour to us and everyone involved and would also like to know how others would have reacted? So obviously been told my daughter has been put in internal exclusion was a shock but when I asked questions about what had gone on he seemed to not want to tell me anything other than I should know the policy on mobile phones and it’s in my daughters planner. (Planner says a detention for mobile phone use on school premises) I asked why a child would feel the need to record an event? No answer! He then went on to say that there had been a complaint about the recording to which I asked if it was the childs mother who the recording had picked up?. He told me he couldn’t say and I need to ask her myself as he couldn’t say under gdpr rules but he could have said she wasn’t the one that complained. The mum is a friend of mine so at this point I was angry to think she didn’t ring me and say she had a problem also at this point I thought she had been unfair after knowing our daughters have a love hate relationship and we’ve always in the past dealt with them together as they get on in small doses but fall out easily. Neither of our daughters is perfect in their behaviour but they are far from being delinquents. After days of stewing over everything and hearing what my daughter had told me. What she did tell me sounded like the teacher had interrogated her to make her say something that hadn’t happened and was trying to put words in her mouth. I decided I would just text the other mum and sort everything out. After a long conversation it turns out she hadn’t complained and even knew about the recording before the school mentioned it and hadn’t cared or thought anything else about it(my daughter let her hear the recording as it had her daughter on) turned out the school had rung her and this teacher asked if she knew her daughter had been recorded without her knowledge to which she said she knew and didn’t care and was then to be told she may get some backlash from this (I assume he meant from us?) After speaking and getting most of the answers from the mum that we couldn’t get out of the teacher as he refused to speak to me or answer any of my questions and spoke over everything I said while he interrogated us! He asked if I had asked my daughter to make the recording and then asked (interrogated)my daughter if the other parent had asked her to make the recording as the other parent had issues with the teacher who was also in the recording, he hadn’t asked the other parent if she had asked her to do this. The school hasn’t heard the recording and only myself, partner, other parent and obviously my child has heard this recording so they have no clue what’s in it. It also hasn’t been shared on social media which the teacher said it had. I did ask why they find the mobile phone policy so serious but they haven’t taken the same approach to their bullying policy which ended up with a teacher threatening my daughter with detention everyday if her father doesn’t sign their policy. I’m lead to believe the school was sued back to the stone ages when a recording had been made about 4 years ago. If this is true they have covered it up very well. After been ignored and unable to make an appointment with the headmaster we finally got one on day four (their policy states 24hours) after the original phone call from the teacher to be told no complaint had even been made. He made a comment saying he thought we were just another ‘shouty parent’. Turns out said teacher who made the original phone call has had many complaints against him from parents which have been ignored, I’m told he is friends with the head teacher who is also one of the governors and deals with the complaints which makes me wonder if he’s not acting on them and also is this not a conflict of interest? I’ve also been told by many people the teacher has a dislike for women and called women stupid to their face but changes his tone when the husbands turn up and talks over women when they speak, this is what I had to deal with. We have also made it clear and also put it in writing that he is not to be alone with my daughter and the first thing he did was take my daughter into a room alone! 2nd time he did this my daughter asked for another teacher to be present which he obliged. I’m actually worried that this teacher is trusted to be in charge of children when I & my partner have had great difficulty dealing with him ourselves and witnessed how he has handled what he says is a serious situation and implied people have complained who actually haven’t. We have asked for the governor’s details to complain to as this is not given on their website and have yet to receive these details. Our complaint isn’t about our daughter being punished and support the school if our daughter is being disruptive or doing something she shouldn’t but more how this teacher has behaved and we find it worrying how he’s gone about this situation and if we hadn’t have been in contact with the other parent how this could have panned out. If this is how he deals with parents what does he do around children. He had us thinking another parent had complained (told us a complaint had been made) when they hadn’t. I’ve wrote all this on my phone so hope it all makes sense.

OP posts:
PhDmum22 · 30/11/2022 23:32

Paragraphs.

Jadedbuthappy82 · 30/11/2022 23:35

And people wonders why teachers are leaving the profession in droves! 😆

Spoonfullofconfusion · 30/11/2022 23:38

I think a lot of them should leave the profession.

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NerrSnerr · 30/11/2022 23:39

I only skim read the second half as it's long with no paragraphs but basically your daughter had her phone out in class which she shouldn't have had, she recorded something that happened which she shouldn't have done and got into trouble for it?

The rest is all very 'he said, she said' and why does it matter? She misbehaved and was punished. Job done.

UWhatNow · 30/11/2022 23:41

Paragraphs. Yes. And priorities!

You do realise that the current teaching crisis is partly due to teachers with having to deal with shit like this day in day out? Your dd shouldn’t have her phone out or be filming in class. End of. If your child behaved properly then neither of you would be having to deal with senior school staff. That should be the primary focus of your energy and attention, not the behaviour of the teacher.

Jadedbuthappy82 · 30/11/2022 23:45

Spoonfullofconfusion ... Be my guest and take my place 🙄😝

Jadedbuthappy82 · 30/11/2022 23:46

Uwhatnow - spot on

CongaLine · 30/11/2022 23:46

It doesn't matter what the teacher has said or done to someone else, the fact remains that your daughter was using her phone in class to record other people.

It's no wonder that she thinks it's okay to break school rules when her parents are busy trying to put the blame on everyone except her.

SummerWhisper · 30/11/2022 23:46

Take your complaint to the Education Department of the local authority that covers the school.

Wickerblanketbasket · 30/11/2022 23:47

I hate the attitude of some people that the teacher must be right just because they're a teacher.

I can't really make head nor tail of what was actually recorded but obviously for safeguarding reasons they cant have children filming other children in the classroom never mind the disruption of phones being out in the classroom.

The issue is whether the teacher was in the wrong for misleading op into thinking another parent had made a complaint and so on.
He should have stuck to the facts and explained what had happened and why he was ringing.
The school probably will pull ranks and you'll get nowhere.
The complaint procedure should be available on the Website and definitely given to you promptly when you ask for it.

Jadedbuthappy82 · 30/11/2022 23:49

Or. Here's a thought. Tell you child to follow the very simple school rules. Job done. Panic over. Then maybe, just maybe, teachers might actually get to teach instead of trying to instil discipline into the feral 😁

UWhatNow · 30/11/2022 23:50

SummerWhisper · 30/11/2022 23:46

Take your complaint to the Education Department of the local authority that covers the school.

Totally wrong advice 🙄 what is the underfunded LA going to do about it? Especially if they’re an academy - the LA has no jurisdiction. If anything they need to follow the complaints procedure on the school website.

KrisAkabusi · 30/11/2022 23:51

You asked this when it happened didn't you? And you were told then that your daughter had broken the rules and was being punished. The school are right, they are under no obligation to tell you about other children, teachers or parents.

GLADragss · 30/11/2022 23:51

You should delete this thread and repost it with better formatting

it really doesn’t matter that you investigated with your friends etc, just post the key events for quality advice as it is really hard to follow

Eyerollcentral · 30/11/2022 23:52

Your focus is completely wrong. There seems to be a world of drama here which you are revelling in. I cannot comprehend the amount of time, thought and energy you have given to this total non-event. Please detach from your daughter’s teenage squabbles and help her to concentrate on her education.

Onthecuspofabreakthrough · 30/11/2022 23:52

SummerWhisper · 30/11/2022 23:46

Take your complaint to the Education Department of the local authority that covers the school.

Complaint about what?=

nookierookie · 30/11/2022 23:53

OP, the teacher may not have behaved perfectly, but frankly I think that you are clutching at straws. He should just be teaching your daughter and her peers not dealing with this mobile phone crap. Have some empathy for the bloke - he just wants to teach, he doesn't want to deal with this stuff and your daughter is the one who decided to wave her phone about. Tell your daughter to grow up and move on.

pollyglot · 30/11/2022 23:53

Full of hearsay, gossip and pejorative language ("interrogated??" Really?). It's people like you who cause the best teachers to leave and go elsewhere, where their talents and skills are better appreciated and remunerated. FFS, support your kid's teachers, and ensure that your little darling does not flout school rules. Teachers are doing their best while being handicapped by self-righteous parents who think their kids can do no wrong, and that teacher-baiting is some kind of national sport.

Discoh · 30/11/2022 23:53

I feel so sorry for schools having to deal with people like this!

pianaoff · 30/11/2022 23:55

Wickerblanketbasket · 30/11/2022 23:47

I hate the attitude of some people that the teacher must be right just because they're a teacher.

I can't really make head nor tail of what was actually recorded but obviously for safeguarding reasons they cant have children filming other children in the classroom never mind the disruption of phones being out in the classroom.

The issue is whether the teacher was in the wrong for misleading op into thinking another parent had made a complaint and so on.
He should have stuck to the facts and explained what had happened and why he was ringing.
The school probably will pull ranks and you'll get nowhere.
The complaint procedure should be available on the Website and definitely given to you promptly when you ask for it.

I was thinking the exact Same as you said in the first but you wrote. I know teachers have it hard but I've been told by my daughter whose in high school how some of the teachers speak to pupils. It's absolutely disgusting! I've heard it first hand too.

All teachers are not saints and all pupils are not bad. Teachers expect the kids to behave like adults but speak and treat them like young kids.

Op if you think you have cause for complaint then I would ring the school and keep asking for the governors details.

surreygirl1987 · 30/11/2022 23:56

What on earth?

I'm a teacher... this is exactly the sort of thing that makes me think about walking. I did not get a PhD for this nonsense. Your daughter broke the rules. End of story.

Wickerblanketbasket · 30/11/2022 23:59

surreygirl1987 · 30/11/2022 23:56

What on earth?

I'm a teacher... this is exactly the sort of thing that makes me think about walking. I did not get a PhD for this nonsense. Your daughter broke the rules. End of story.

Maybe you should walk if you think a child breaking rules gives a teacher the right to ring her parents up and basically lie to them.
She has said her child shouldn't have been on her phone, the issue is the teachers conduct after that.

Cantseethewindows · 01/12/2022 00:00

The head teacher isn't a governor, in fact if an allegation is made against the HT it is reported to the governors, so you could say they're above the HT.

The teacher was completely professional in the phone call. Has it occurred to you that someone else (not your mate) might have complained? And that the video may well have ended up on social media if your daughter sent it to someone else? You sound very childish and unprofessional, the way you're going on about "lots of complaints" being made against this teacher etc. This is all rumours, nothing more.

luxxlisbon · 01/12/2022 00:01

I’m so confused about how this has escalated to this point. Why were you pushing to know so many details about how, what and why your daughter was filming in the first place?
It comes across like you were quite confrontational when the teacher called to tell you about DDs punishment.

UWhatNow · 01/12/2022 00:01

“The issue is whether the teacher was in the wrong for misleading op into thinking another parent had made a complaint and so on.”

We only have the friend’s word on this. The friend who’s child is also ‘no angel but not quite delinquent’. I suspect this teacher’s seemingly odd and intolerant attitude is probably because he’s pissed off to the back teeth and wishes he’d chosen accountancy or banking or something else other than trying to deal with the Vicky Pollards and their parents every day…