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Strange behaviour from a teacher

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Spoonfullofconfusion · 30/11/2022 23:30

Ok, this happened a couple of weeks ago but I’m still annoyed. My daughter got in trouble at school for using her phone and recorded something that went on in her class. No faces shown, no names mentioned. Had a phone call from school to tell us they were aware of this recording and she had been put in internal exclusion. School always ring me first before dad but luckily dad was able to hear the conversation after I placed the call on loud speaker. Bit of back story my daughter has be having trouble with some girls and at time’s been ganged up on, we thought this was the reason he was ringing us. I’m aware my child is no angel all the time but these girls have a history so I do believe my daughter when she tells me things plus I have a way of getting the truth from her eventually. We have worked with teachers when there has been problems, either with homework or bullying and have always had adult and productive conversations with other teachers and have worked towards sorting out any problems that have arisen in the past.
Anyway my aibu is more about the teacher that rang regarding the recording and his actions and behaviour to us and everyone involved and would also like to know how others would have reacted? So obviously been told my daughter has been put in internal exclusion was a shock but when I asked questions about what had gone on he seemed to not want to tell me anything other than I should know the policy on mobile phones and it’s in my daughters planner. (Planner says a detention for mobile phone use on school premises) I asked why a child would feel the need to record an event? No answer! He then went on to say that there had been a complaint about the recording to which I asked if it was the childs mother who the recording had picked up?. He told me he couldn’t say and I need to ask her myself as he couldn’t say under gdpr rules but he could have said she wasn’t the one that complained. The mum is a friend of mine so at this point I was angry to think she didn’t ring me and say she had a problem also at this point I thought she had been unfair after knowing our daughters have a love hate relationship and we’ve always in the past dealt with them together as they get on in small doses but fall out easily. Neither of our daughters is perfect in their behaviour but they are far from being delinquents. After days of stewing over everything and hearing what my daughter had told me. What she did tell me sounded like the teacher had interrogated her to make her say something that hadn’t happened and was trying to put words in her mouth. I decided I would just text the other mum and sort everything out. After a long conversation it turns out she hadn’t complained and even knew about the recording before the school mentioned it and hadn’t cared or thought anything else about it(my daughter let her hear the recording as it had her daughter on) turned out the school had rung her and this teacher asked if she knew her daughter had been recorded without her knowledge to which she said she knew and didn’t care and was then to be told she may get some backlash from this (I assume he meant from us?) After speaking and getting most of the answers from the mum that we couldn’t get out of the teacher as he refused to speak to me or answer any of my questions and spoke over everything I said while he interrogated us! He asked if I had asked my daughter to make the recording and then asked (interrogated)my daughter if the other parent had asked her to make the recording as the other parent had issues with the teacher who was also in the recording, he hadn’t asked the other parent if she had asked her to do this. The school hasn’t heard the recording and only myself, partner, other parent and obviously my child has heard this recording so they have no clue what’s in it. It also hasn’t been shared on social media which the teacher said it had. I did ask why they find the mobile phone policy so serious but they haven’t taken the same approach to their bullying policy which ended up with a teacher threatening my daughter with detention everyday if her father doesn’t sign their policy. I’m lead to believe the school was sued back to the stone ages when a recording had been made about 4 years ago. If this is true they have covered it up very well. After been ignored and unable to make an appointment with the headmaster we finally got one on day four (their policy states 24hours) after the original phone call from the teacher to be told no complaint had even been made. He made a comment saying he thought we were just another ‘shouty parent’. Turns out said teacher who made the original phone call has had many complaints against him from parents which have been ignored, I’m told he is friends with the head teacher who is also one of the governors and deals with the complaints which makes me wonder if he’s not acting on them and also is this not a conflict of interest? I’ve also been told by many people the teacher has a dislike for women and called women stupid to their face but changes his tone when the husbands turn up and talks over women when they speak, this is what I had to deal with. We have also made it clear and also put it in writing that he is not to be alone with my daughter and the first thing he did was take my daughter into a room alone! 2nd time he did this my daughter asked for another teacher to be present which he obliged. I’m actually worried that this teacher is trusted to be in charge of children when I & my partner have had great difficulty dealing with him ourselves and witnessed how he has handled what he says is a serious situation and implied people have complained who actually haven’t. We have asked for the governor’s details to complain to as this is not given on their website and have yet to receive these details. Our complaint isn’t about our daughter being punished and support the school if our daughter is being disruptive or doing something she shouldn’t but more how this teacher has behaved and we find it worrying how he’s gone about this situation and if we hadn’t have been in contact with the other parent how this could have panned out. If this is how he deals with parents what does he do around children. He had us thinking another parent had complained (told us a complaint had been made) when they hadn’t. I’ve wrote all this on my phone so hope it all makes sense.

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Eyerollcentral · 01/12/2022 13:54

You’re not accepting the point. Your daughter broke the school rules. Frankly I don’t blame the teacher for talking over you or putting the phone down. You seem to be very difficult to deal with and resistant to dealing with facts. I imagine it’s difficult for the school to get another teacher to agree to have your daughter in their class as no one wants to deal with her bad behaviour and your totally over the top responses. You seem to have zero trust in the school. Perhaps home schooling is a better option for your daughter and you as I doubt anyone will be able to satisfy your demands in a school setting. You are building a life for your daughter based on conflict and distrust which is tragic for her, never mind disrupting her focus which should be on her GCSEs.

Redlocks30 · 01/12/2022 14:05

My daughter made a recording to try and catch her bullies in action and to prove what they were doing to her. We have asked if it is possible to move her classes as she can’t escape them. She then said she would share it if they didn’t leave her alone.

It sounds like she is recording people without them knowing on her phone and then making threats!

PAFMO · 01/12/2022 14:06

Spoonfullofconfusion · 01/12/2022 13:26

So a lot of teachers have come on this thread. Let me ask if a student did something wrong and they did their punishment would you end it after they did their punishment. Would you tell them why and explain why the punishment is severe? Would you keep them in a room asking the same question with the hope that if you ask enough times you would get a different answer or educate them and make them understand what they have done wrong and why it is wrong?

My daughter made a recording to try and catch her bullies in action and to prove what they were doing to her. We have asked if it is possible to move her classes as she can’t escape them. She then said she would share it if they didn’t leave her alone. It wasn’t shared as it isn’t possible to do this on her phone. I say that my child is no angel to put across that if she does something wrong this doesn’t go unpunished. This wasn’t to make her sound like she constantly makes trouble as this would be untrue.

My issue is that the teacher lied to us saying a complaint had been made for us to find out from the HT one hadn’t and instead of dealing with the problem for example looking at why she took the recording and also sorting out how she would be punished, which he made out was one big secret and refused to discuss this.

The reason I don’t want him alone with my daughter is that I want a witness to hear what he says as we obviously weren’t happy with how he spoke to us. Surely this would protect both student and teacher?

No I don’t have loads of time on my hands which is why I’m also annoyed this wasn’t sorted in one phone call which it could have been. We would have supported the punishment had we been informed of this and the reason but we would also want to understand why she did it. The punishment would have been the same if someone complained or not so I don’t understand why he needed to lie to us.

We had to make a complaint to get the ht to discuss the matter because the teacher who made the phone call wouldn’t give us any facts or answer our questions so we could understand what had happened and what was going to happen. All we knew from the phone call was a complaint had been made about a recording our daughter had made and she was in internal exclusion. If we spoke he talked over us. when I spoke he put the phone down.

  1. No, I wouldn't keep them in the same room asking them the same question over and over. And neither did the teacher who caught your daughter filming other minors and potentially him. My students, like your daughter KNOW that recording other people on school premises can, in some cases, become a criminal offence. She knows that. She knew it when she did it.
  1. Your daughter can't "share" things on her phone? What is it? A Nokia brick?
  1. Everything you've said seems to indicate that the teacher has made a "complaint" both about your daughter's flagrant disregard for rules, and your own aggressive reaction to her being punished for filming other people.
AnxiousStepparent · 01/12/2022 14:22

The only time I would condone filming on school premises would be if something very awful was happening, such as a criminal offence taking place. Other than that, there are very strict safeguarding measures in place to protect certain children. I was not even allowed to film my daughter in her play at school due to this reason which I respected. What was your daughter trying to catch on video? Was it verbal or physical bullying?

I think it's best to focus on facts only and not what you have been told by other people. Unless you know 100% that something has happened and have evidence for it, it would not be prudent to take it as gospel.

There's also the element to consider that your daughter is not telling you the whole story, and/or twisting it to put her in a more favourable light. I'm a parent to teens and sometimes they just cannot accept responsibility and will blame everyone else but themselves.

If the teacher was talking over you on the phone and not giving you chance to talk; then yes that is rude. He should have also answered your questions but if those questions were relating to other students or other people in general apart from your daughter, he cannot comment on it due to GDPR.

I don't think saying that this teacher cannot be alone with your daughter is appropriate as it insinuates that he has some ulterior motive with no evidence at all to base that on. This could potentially start rumours which could make this teachers life hell. Always deal in facts and not hearsay.

Spoonfullofconfusion · 01/12/2022 14:57

It was a recording, no picture. I’m not sure what she was wanting to capture but it caught another student arguing with the teacher. Yes I agree kids don’t always give the whole story which is why I was relying on the conversation with the teacher but unfortunately we found that very difficult and was left to work out the details ourselves which was frustrating. I can see how not being alone can spread rumours and I’ll take that on board. I’m not condoning her behaviour but if the teacher is also lying to us who do we believe. I believe our conversations with our daughter has lead her to not do this again and understands the seriousness of it.

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Eyerollcentral · 01/12/2022 15:27

‘…which is why I was relying on the conversation with the teacher but unfortunately we found that very difficult and was left to work out the details ourselves which was frustrating.’
The relevant details are your daughter made an unauthorised recording in school. She told you it was to catch out bullies but then it turns out she was recording an argument between another pupil and a teacher. If there is anyone unreliable with the truth here it’s your daughter. You admitted in your first post that you can usually get the truth out of her ‘eventually’. Why do you think the school should waste so much time and resources on your daughter who simply cannot seem to follow the sane and clear rules set by the school or tell the truth about it?

‘…I’m not condoning her behaviour but if the teacher is also lying to us who do we believe…’
The teacher wasn’t lying about your daughter making the recording. That’s the relevant bit.

‘…I believe our conversations with our daughter has lead her to not do this again and understands the seriousness of it….’
Your daughter was already aware of the school rules before the incident. Whether or not you think your daughter is listening to you now is irrelevant.

Frankly your daughter is working you like a puppet and getting away with murder. It won’t do her any good in the long term and you are making yourself a pariah amongst the senior leadership team. Hopefully your daughter doesn’t have any serious problems in the school going forward as I would imagine most members of staff will want to minimise their contact with you and her. Help her achieve success academically and forget the theatrics. You are not your daughter’s friend, you are supposed to parent.

LeandraDear · 01/12/2022 15:36

Redlocks30 · 01/12/2022 14:05

My daughter made a recording to try and catch her bullies in action and to prove what they were doing to her. We have asked if it is possible to move her classes as she can’t escape them. She then said she would share it if they didn’t leave her alone.

It sounds like she is recording people without them knowing on her phone and then making threats!

This seems to be part of the problem @Spoonfullofconfusion - you don't seem to understand that what you said above is terrible threatening behaviour from your daughter.

Spoonfullofconfusion · 01/12/2022 15:47

Physical is also bad too

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Spoonfullofconfusion · 01/12/2022 15:47

Physical is also bad too

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Spoonfullofconfusion · 01/12/2022 15:49

Physical is also bad too

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Spoonfullofconfusion · 01/12/2022 15:50

Physical is also bad too

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WindyHedges · 01/12/2022 16:01

I’m not condoning her behaviour but if the teacher is also lying to us who do we believe.

From trying to decipher your posts, I know whom I'd believe ...

Sherrystrull · 01/12/2022 17:37

Ask your daughter what she was trying to film. My guess is that this was an excuse and she was intending to film the argument between the teacher and student, which is clearly unacceptable on many levels.

Conkersareback · 01/12/2022 18:46

Who told you he has lots of complaints against him and was friends with the head! Playground gossip?

BellaCiao1 · 01/12/2022 20:48

It's not a lie that a complaint was made against your daughter, just because it was the teacher doesn't make it any less valid.

Your daughter recorded every single person in that room without their knowledge, if I was the teacher (or any other child) I would have been livid at being recorded without my knowledge.

You need to suck it up and accept that your daughter was in the wrong.

Murdoch1949 · 01/12/2022 22:38

Daughter totally in the wrong, tries to wheedle out of it by blaming the teacher, parent concurs. Look to yourself first, teach your daughter to abide by school rules and don't let her get away with crap like this.

HoppingPavlova · 02/12/2022 10:25

.We had to make a complaint to get the ht to discuss the matter because the teacher who made the phone call wouldn’t give us any facts or answer our questions so we could understand what had happened and what was going to happen. All we knew from the phone call was a complaint had been made about a recording our daughter had made and she was in internal exclusion.

What on earth is there to discuss or involve the HT? You were informed that your DD was filming in the class. This is prohibited for obvious reasons. You were informed of the punishment. What on earth did you need to pick apart - except to deflect from your DD’s actions - what is the HT meant to add? Who gives a flying fuck about the complaint angle, what does this do with your DD doing the wrong thing? Why are you fixated on this? It’s absolutely complaint worthy from every other parent so if there was none, it’s sheer luck only!

Seriously, you sound like you are 12yo here. Concentrate on amending your DD behaviour and move on.

HoppingPavlova · 02/12/2022 10:29

I’m not condoning her behaviour but if the teacher is also lying to us who do we believe.

About what? She recorded it or she didn’t? Seems to be that she did, so what are you going on about? All that you need to know is that she did, so you need to fix this and make damn sure it never happens again. Nothing else is relevant here.

WindyHedges · 02/12/2022 14:24

Bugger off she said frequently she accepts her daughter was wrong and the punishment is fine

Do you mean to be so rude?

Plumbear2 · 02/12/2022 14:58

I'm actually staring to think OP is a 12 year old

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