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Shamima Begum's mother

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AddingUp · 24/11/2022 14:48

I read an article about Shamima Begum's mother in the Daily Mail. I am very much in the camp that Shamima Begum should come back to the UK and be trialed here as her crimes.

Anyway, the mother says how close she was with Shamima and how she misses her etc.

If I were Shamima Begum's mum and my daughter was not allowed into the UK, I would travel to the refugee camp to be with her. Or, I would take my daughter to Bangladesh just to be with her and not leave her on her own.

I don't understand why Shamima Begum's mum takes no action to support her daughter!

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red78hot · 27/02/2023 11:13

I'd wipe my hands of her tbh

AnnieSnap · 27/02/2023 11:45

FishBowlSwimmer · 27/02/2023 09:39

Shamima is currently detained in a "refugee" camp, awaiting trial for crimes she committed in Syria. The trial has been delayed while she fights for the right to be tried in the UK.

It is perfectly legal to strip her of her UK citizenship, she is not left stateless, Bangladesh cannot refuse her citizenship because that WOULD leave her stateless. She doesn't want to go to Bangladesh because they have the death sentence for the crime's she is accused of.

So her only options are, Syrian trial, Bangladesh trial or UK trial.

Her life literally depends on the UK claiming her and trying her under UK law.

According to our (UK) government there is overwhelming evidence against her.

I'm not sure she really was radicalised, she certainly wasn't trafficked, she herself admits she was inspired to join ISIS by watching videos of beheadings online. What sort of person watches a beheading and thinks, "that's what I want to do with my life"?

She was refused Bangladeshi citizenship, so the UK Government’s decision did leave her stateless!

Also, your finally paragraph is the very definition of grooming. She certainly was trafficked. Yes, she was keen to go, having been groomed, but it was adult men (including one who was working for the Canadian Government at the time) who all of the expenses, gave her the instructions for the journey and met her to transport her at various points.

MichelleScarn · 27/02/2023 11:53

BankOfDave · 27/02/2023 10:48

Some people are under the impression that anyone questioning is a sympathiser - not true for me. Most people commenting have probably read media headlines/version and that’s it. Because this is the ONE story where everything portrayed by the media is entirely true. 🤔

I don't think anyone questioning is a sympathiser, I think sympathisers are those who are saying 'oh the poor girl, she's only young, it's not her fault she watched all these torture and beheading videos and decided to travel to a war zone and do these for herself, she can't have known what it would be like, bring her back'.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/02/2023 14:57

She was refused Bangladeshi citizenship, so the UK Government’s decision did leave her stateless

Not quite; looking at the timescale, the government served notice of the removal of Shamima's citizenship in February 2019 and Bangladesh didn't say they wouldn't have her until June 2020

I'm not a lawyer, far less an immigration expert, but because the UK effectively "got in first" with refusing her, I expect it may have been argued that we hadn't made her staeless because at that point she could - at least in theory - have applied to Bangladesh

And yes, I realise she doesn't want to go to Bangladesh because they'd probably execute her, but what she wants and what she's legally entitled to are two different things

splatfrog · 27/02/2023 16:09

I believe if she came back here she'd have a target on her back. She'd have to take on a new identity.

2bazookas · 27/02/2023 18:38

AddingUp · 24/11/2022 14:48

I read an article about Shamima Begum's mother in the Daily Mail. I am very much in the camp that Shamima Begum should come back to the UK and be trialed here as her crimes.

Anyway, the mother says how close she was with Shamima and how she misses her etc.

If I were Shamima Begum's mum and my daughter was not allowed into the UK, I would travel to the refugee camp to be with her. Or, I would take my daughter to Bangladesh just to be with her and not leave her on her own.

I don't understand why Shamima Begum's mum takes no action to support her daughter!

You sound really clueless. Shamima is held in a SECURE camp by Syrian Defence Forces. Secured to prevent infiltration by extremist groups like ISIL and Daesh

Her mother can no more "go to live there with her", than she could decide to move in and live in a high-security prison here

She can't take Shamima anywhere at all because Shamima has no passport.

bellabasset · 28/02/2023 20:53

@sunglassesonthetable Try reading the Wikipedia entry on Shamina Begum

Daisybuttercup12345 · 01/03/2023 08:20

PeekabooAtTheZoo · 24/11/2022 14:54

If I was her mum I’d go NC actually.

This.

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