Shamima Begum's mother

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I read an article about Shamima Begum's mother in the Daily Mail. I am very much in the camp that Shamima Begum should come back to the UK and be trialed here as her crimes.

Anyway, the mother says how close she was with Shamima and how she misses her etc.

If I were Shamima Begum's mum and my daughter was not allowed into the UK, I would travel to the refugee camp to be with her. Or, I would take my daughter to Bangladesh just to be with her and not leave her on her own.

I don't understand why Shamima Begum's mum takes no action to support her daughter!

*Sajid Javid stupid typo.

I think this is what people forget. That the general public do not know all the information. For various reasons.

and if they did then release it all, that would be in the wrong for doing that too.

People just see a young woman having a hard time. I have sympathy for her because she lost her children which is terrible for any woman. However if the British Security forces think she is a risk then we need to trust they have intelligence we don’t.

I'd like to know what we didn't know about the 400 male Isis fighters, who joined Isis as adults and took part in warfare. As opposed to the 15 year old girl who was married after knowing her husband for ten minutes and raped and beaten until (in his words) knew how to please him and be obedient. Then was pregnant/or watching her newborn die, three times. I don't believe the government. Men who we know have actually beheaded people have come back and been through deradicalised. Their wives and children were treated as victims.

If you are eligible to apply it’s likely that you actually have the citizenship already (we’re born with it) and the application you refer to is just an application for a passport/ to register it. Look at the Australian politicians dual citizenship issue.

You can't just waltz into refugee camps, it isn't free entry. There are already too many people there with no where to go, and not enough resources. Last thing the situation needs is more people there unless the additional persons are staff trying to keep the place running, rather than another resident unnecessarily there to potentially catch/transmit cholera-measles-diptheria etc.. Don't think her ma would be able to join SB.

I tihnk most of us know that it is a huge deal to choose to get another passport. Our family is only eligible for British but plenty of people with an Irish grandparents after brexit had to think lonlg and hard about the downsides of having two passpots. There are also tax issues if you have two as Boris J found to his cost as he has US and UK.

Anyway like many I am very glad the English courts apply the law without fear or favour and have reached the right decision here.

Whilst it’s very clear she has been groomed into joining, she’s also been there for a long time and has participated in too much now for anyone to ever trust her.

I appreciate what you’re saying with from a mother’s perspective I would be absolutely horrified if my daughter was in that position, would I trust bringing her back into my home? Absolutely not!

More to the point, would you be comfortable with her potentially further grooming anyone she encounters in prison who are due release? They could then be released and inflict terror on our streets. The same streets your family walk on.

People with an Irish grandparent only would've had to go through a process to acquire Irish nationality, even with a long wait. The calculation is quite different when you already hold the citizenship and just haven't bothered with the passport before, like if your parent is Irish for example. Not a huge deal at all in that instance.

One of the girls who was groomed who went out and got others involved was held accountable as far as I remember.

Well the mum and family definitely knew what she was doing. You would need to be incredibly naive to think they didn't. I imagine the mum is deliberately keeping a low profile so no one asks too many questions.

I'm always reminded of Abase Hussen (father of Amira) and his stunt holding her Arsenal teddy, carrying on about what a sweet innocent she was - only for it to be discovered he'd been taking her to extremist rallies

Different case of course, but I wouldn't be in the least surprised if it turned out that the rest of the family are on the security services' radar too

Indeed. Also she is not the only one we have not allowed back. Also if I broke the law and was jailed in say Brazil for drug smuggling the British Gov would do nothing to help me and I certainly would not be given £5m of legal aid as Ms Begum has had.

Yes they will, the advice is if you are arrested abroad you contact the British Embassy or consulate. There are even agreements with some countries so you can get transferred to a British prison. The time they won't help is if you have dual nationality and you are arrested in your "other" country. They warn you about it if you take out dual nationality.

From the govt website about what to do when arrested abroad: Our staff are there to support you and to take an interest in your welfare. We aim to be sensitive and non-judgemental. We also aim to treat everyone in prison or detention the same, no matter what they are being held for, or whether they are on remand or have been sentenced. You should stay in touch with our staff and ask for their help, as they have experience in dealing with many of the problems you may face.

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But they don't - they don't get you out, they don't pay for lawyers, they don't help you - they might contact you but not much, and they certainly don't spend £5m on your legal costs as we have done for this ISIS terrorist.

You said, Also if I broke the law and was jailed in say Brazil for drug smuggling the British Gov would do nothing to help me but they would, they would visit you, help you get a lawyer, contact your family for you and maybe get you transferred to a British prison. So no they aren't going to hand you £5m but they wouldn't take your nationality and leave you stranded and stateless.

I don’t know what the answer is but I firmly believe it’s not as clear cut as some people on the thread make out and think the media have hugely influenced public opinion.

I understood her biological mother died in the Jan. By the Sept her father had remarried (a man she didn’t live with until she was 8) and by the Dec she had followed her friend to Syria age 15. At no point did her school or police seemingly try to engage on the dangers of radicalisation knowing what a school friend had done. Many people describe life in Bethnal Green within a conservative family as feeling not fully part of society. She repeatedly talks about not feeling loved in her childhood. I’m no psychologist but that all seems rather meaningful to unpick as a set of of motives/triggers/potential to be exploited.

I believe the judgement in the most recent case is not as clear cut, basically saying having seen the evidence they were somewhat sympathetic to the case for grooming but that their ruling is the Home Secretary ultimately has final say.

Those camps are not fully secure, the original friend has already escaped. They are the worst possible solution in my view.

@BankOfDave ? Shamima Begum's mother isn't dead. The thread is about her mother not going to Syria

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Wilkiepedia says SB's mother died of cancer in 2014. Her father then remarried. She left soon after.

Shamima is currently detained in a "refugee" camp, awaiting trial for crimes she committed in Syria. The trial has been delayed while she fights for the right to be tried in the UK.

It is perfectly legal to strip her of her UK citizenship, she is not left stateless, Bangladesh cannot refuse her citizenship because that WOULD leave her stateless. She doesn't want to go to Bangladesh because they have the death sentence for the crime's she is accused of.

So her only options are, Syrian trial, Bangladesh trial or UK trial.

Her life literally depends on the UK claiming her and trying her under UK law.

According to our (UK) government there is overwhelming evidence against her.

I'm not sure she really was radicalised, she certainly wasn't trafficked, she herself admits she was inspired to join ISIS by watching videos of beheadings online. What sort of person watches a beheading and thinks, "that's what I want to do with my life"?

Could someone please tell the Italian consulate that re citizenship by descent?

I'm not sure she really was radicalised, she certainly wasn't trafficked, she herself admits she was inspired to join ISIS by watching videos of beheadings online. What sort of person watches a beheading and thinks, "that's what I want to do with my life"
Agree with this, and then goes on to take part and encourage the rape and torture of other people, watch beheadings and people being burned to death, and only when her fellow Isis terrorists are losing, apparently 'see the light' but still say things like Manchester bombing was OK.
Do her sympathisers believe that if Isis still had that stronghold she wouldn't still be there enjoying the power and torture of others?

Some people are under the impression that anyone questioning is a sympathiser - not true for me. Most people commenting have probably read media headlines/version and that’s it. Because this is the ONE story where everything portrayed by the media is entirely true. 🤔

She hasn’t committed any crimes in the U.K. so what trumped up charges would you like to see brought against her? 🤔