Shamima Begum's mother

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I read an article about Shamima Begum's mother in the Daily Mail. I am very much in the camp that Shamima Begum should come back to the UK and be trialed here as her crimes.

Anyway, the mother says how close she was with Shamima and how she misses her etc.

If I were Shamima Begum's mum and my daughter was not allowed into the UK, I would travel to the refugee camp to be with her. Or, I would take my daughter to Bangladesh just to be with her and not leave her on her own.

I don't understand why Shamima Begum's mum takes no action to support her daughter!

I have no insight into how it would feel to be the parent of a psychopath/terrorist

@FOJN you don't understand how citizenship works

what is the racism card? where do you get one from?

exactly. it has been eye opening to me, to see how many people don't understand dual nationality/citizenship. I suppose maybe we take that understanding for granted

@FOJN you don't understand how citizenship works

I do understand that I am entitled to apply for citizenship by descent in another country and, thanks to the SB case, I now know that should I chose to become a terrorist the British government could lawfully revoke my citizenship. I am British and both of my parents are British.

I'm not worried at all.

I did also spend many hours researching to understand the legal arguments in this case so I'm not sure it's accurate to say I don't understand how citizenship works. The UK does not have a constitutional birth right to citizenship.

I'm not one to post much on here but this thread has baffled me as to why the vast majority are not looking at the bigger picture as in international intelligence, we know a Canadian operative was involved, my questions are

why were they involved with trafficking minors, what did they think they would gain from this?

How many more have been trafficked in this way?

Are our intelligence services aware of what they are doing if not why isn't there a massive international incident going on?

What the hell has happened to PREVENT? Bit pointless having everyone working with kids to carry this out when international security are actively working against it.

I feel that we are being made to focus on one individual rather than look at the whole scenario

because their objectives are not improve and prevent, but hate and revenge

It’s too late for prevention in this case, isn’t it?

I now know that should I chose to become a terrorist the British government could lawfully revoke my citizenship.

Not while you don't have one. Right to apply is not the same as having citizenship meaning you are rendered stateless which is not lawful.

As opposed to already having dual citizenship.

If you can't see how inherently problematic it is to announce that your British Citizenship is less secure and valid because your parents are from another country as opposed to cast iron if your parents are from this country, then I guess there's nothing else to say.

There seems to be an impression that asking for due process is the same as condoning someone's wicked acts. It's not.

Let's not forget people are accused in this country of doing very evil things and still are entitled to take advantage of the legal system, which also confers presumption of innocence until being proven guilty. There is a nurse right now accused of killing vulnerable babies.

She's has the right to prove her innocence.

This is double standards. That's the issue. And I don't believe for a second that she'd be treated this harshly if she was white. Not overall.

What the hell has happened to PREVENT? Bit pointless having everyone working with kids to carry this out when international security are actively working against it
How are they actively working against it? Do you mean international security are working against anti-terror laws and facilitated SB?

that's right @Blossomtoes . so what do you think @Arafina is talking about when she refers to prevention? how do you think arafina is suggesting SB could be useful for prevention?

Not while you don't have one. Right to apply is not the same as having citizenship meaning you are rendered stateless which is not lawful.

The UK government successfully argued that eligibility to apply for citizenship elsewhere means that revoking UK citizenship would not render someone stateless.

There seems to be an impression that asking for due process is the same as condoning someone's wicked acts. It's not.

There seems to be a misunderstanding that UK law applies in Syria, it doesn't as far as I know. We couldn't prosecute a UK national for speeding on a US interstate either. The empire ended long ago, it's time to stop think our idea of justice is superior.

I prefer the word barbaric; wicked seems to trivialise the horrors she participated in perpetrating.

Do not mistake a refusal to feel sorry for SB as being born out of anger or vengeance. She is a recognised national security threat and I would no more welcome her back to this country than Jihadi Jack. I expect our government to protect us from terrorist threats.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean, by aiding and abetting they are hardly preventing, what's not clear is why?

Jihadi Paul IS back in the UK

More's the pity! These people are oxygen thieves with no conscience or compassion for their victims. It disgusts me that ANY of them are back here.

Jihadi Paul IS back in the UK

There are several hundred jihadis back in the county. They were able to leave without sparking a missing persons investigation so we have no proof of where they went and what they did. Few if any have faced and charges but they are now on watch lists. I'd prefer they weren't here either because they are national security threat and have faced no consequences.

I'm not convinced by the argument that some terrorists were able to re-enter the country so we should welcome all jihadis.

Does anybody know what happened to Jihadi Gary?

Oh, Jihadi Ffion as well.

What the hell has happened to PREVENT?

I believe it got absorbed in CONTEST, which since 2018 has become the government's latest counter terrorism strategy

Ahh. I remember PREVENT training well. I did wonder this myself. Thank you for answering.

What a ridiculous post.

The article op is referencing is about SB’s mum.

She isn't 15.

What a lot of tripe.
She supported people that beheaded uk and American citizens. She deserves to be locked up and the key thrown away forever.
If I was her mother I wouldn’t want to see her ever again.

Sahib Javid had said that if the public knew what MI5 and British security forces knew we’d not want her back here either. They believe she poses a very high risk to national security.