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to think this is the height of unprofessionalism?

170 replies

ScrawlyEmbroidery · 23/11/2022 20:45

I've opened a brand new Nursery school - it's in a beachy, tourist destination and when I first advertised the role we had lots of amazing candidates as we were providing accommodation, great salary etc etc in a very unusual and attractive area.

I had a lady apply who was just amazing - extremely professional, very qualified, was going to relocate with her two children and was very enthusiastic about the role. Her interview went brilliantly, she passed all the checks and accepted the position. So I ended the job advert, and put some temps in place to cover her slightly longer than average notice period - expensive and time consuming (on our very limited budget) but worth it for someone so awesome.

We kept in regular contact - I went above and beyond with getting her accommodation set up perfectly, arranging pen pals in our area for her kids (it's a remote area), setting up subscriptions for her, arranging a specialist visa, getting activities that I knew her and her kids would like arranged in the area and making hampers for their arrival. Answered all her questions, helped her with all the travel and just tried to be as supportive as possible.

Day for her arrival comes..... and she doesn't show up.
I call and message, very worried (she's coming from overseas) and she tells me , in a super casual tone - oh, sorry. There was a problem with the plane. I'm going to try again tomorrow Hmm
Ok... she'd been very professional and cooperative till now so I put it down to stress travelling with two kids etc.
Next day - I had to chase her for info whilst scrabbling around to find cover as she was meant to have started. She eventually messages back with "XYZ.... will be travelling tomorrow"
Fine, okay. I kept my frustration to myself and didn't ask too many questions.
The next day again - no info and I have to gently chase her - oh, she's going to fly half way but the kids will have to take another flight (???) so probably won't be until the weekend.
Right, okay. I didn't want to make waves, so I said "okay, keep me updated" and manically tried to find cover for the absence, paying way over the odds to fly an ex employee in to cover us for the week so we had enough staff.

Weekend comes and goes, she is giving me no updates at all. I eventually message her out of desperation (I was trying not to harass her and scare her away) and she says she's booked on tomorrow's plane.
You guessed it - no show.
I message saying I'm sorry it's been so difficult, but I'm now having major staffing issues so please can she please give me an update - silence.

This was 2 weeks ago and I've not heard a thing from her, despite me politely chasing. In short - I think she's found another job and was stringing me along until it was finalised. She had every opportunity to at least tell me, and chose to string me along knowing I was having staffing issues.

But it's absolutely left me up shit creek - I now have no Nursery Manager, and I waited over 8 weeks for her - bodging together cover.
I've readvertised but the moment has been and gone, and I'm struggling for applicants (I do have a couple that I'm processing) where before I had loads.

She's reading messages but no responding - I background checked her, reference checked. I have all her documents, I paid for a visa, accommodation etc etc and she's just disappeared.

AIBU to think this is the shittiest shittiest thing to do to a tiny, new Nursery that you know has bent over backwards for you?

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MouseRoar · 23/11/2022 20:49

That is beyond shitty. What a horrible person she must be💐

CatJumperTwat · 23/11/2022 20:51

Is this one of those threads where you pretend to be a character in a film?

If not... yeah she screwed you over but you were terribly naive to shell out all that money on visas and accommodation, and then meekly accept her lame excuses for over a week. Is there nobody local in this lovely destination that wants a job?

Lunar270 · 23/11/2022 20:51

Unless you're struggling with candidates I'm thinking you may have dodged a bullet.

I think you're amazing and any normal person would appreciate everything you've done. I realise this doesn't help but think she's done you a favour and you're better off without her.

Hopefully you'll find someone else soon.

JennyForeigner · 23/11/2022 20:53

That's an absolute dick move and the universe will catch up to her.

ScrawlyEmbroidery · 23/11/2022 20:54

CatJumperTwat · 23/11/2022 20:51

Is this one of those threads where you pretend to be a character in a film?

If not... yeah she screwed you over but you were terribly naive to shell out all that money on visas and accommodation, and then meekly accept her lame excuses for over a week. Is there nobody local in this lovely destination that wants a job?

We really struggle with local people because there is a minimum qualification required (Level 3 Childcare/Education) to be a Nursery Manager legally, and no locals have it - so we're forced to locate outside our area.

I don't really understand the character comment, but apologise if the post read poorly - I have a tendency to whitter on so was trying to write the full scope without filling a whole essay out

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MiniCooperLover · 23/11/2022 20:54

If you've paid for her visa you need to report to the home Office that she hasn't taken up her position.

ScrawlyEmbroidery · 23/11/2022 20:54

Lunar270 · 23/11/2022 20:51

Unless you're struggling with candidates I'm thinking you may have dodged a bullet.

I think you're amazing and any normal person would appreciate everything you've done. I realise this doesn't help but think she's done you a favour and you're better off without her.

Hopefully you'll find someone else soon.

This is what I'm telling myself - in the long run, I'm better off without someone like this but in the short term its an absolute killer.

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HouseinNewOrleans · 23/11/2022 20:55

Shit situation but on the bright side you've dodged a bullet and won't make anything like the same mistake again.

chickidychick · 23/11/2022 20:55

Does she still get to keep the visa?

schoolsoutforever · 23/11/2022 20:58

Yes, completely rubbish of her. However, I wouldn't want this woman managing a piss up in a brewery nevermind a new nursery full of tiny kids. Bullet dodged.

Wheredoallthepensgo · 23/11/2022 20:59

chickidychick · 23/11/2022 20:55

Does she still get to keep the visa?

That was my thought. Has she taken up a post elsewhere using that visa?

Shinyandnew1 · 23/11/2022 21:02

I’m amazed that I’m the current CofL situation, a tiny nursery can afford to pay for an employee’s visa, great salary and accommodation and still make any sort of profit?! Do you have many other members of staff?

I agree with you though-she has been very unprofessional!

Xiaoxiong · 23/11/2022 21:04

I thought the same! It sounds like she has used you for the visa, and then accepted another job telling them she had the right to work.

I would be telling the immigration authorities asap that she didn't show up, is no longer employed by you, and to terminate the visa.

Lunar270 · 23/11/2022 21:08

HouseinNewOrleans · 23/11/2022 20:55

Shit situation but on the bright side you've dodged a bullet and won't make anything like the same mistake again.

I can't help feeling you're right in some ways but I know many mainland Europeans through work that would've died for a boss that did this for them and been loyal employees till the end. Really genuine people but ended up working for a company that didn't give two hoots.

I run a business and believe in being a human first. Business always follows. It's sad that people can take advantage but the world needs more humans in business.

WomenShouldWinWomensSports · 23/11/2022 21:13

YANBU but unfortunately this is really common with these sort of jobs. I worked in International Schools abroad and every single TERM without fail at least two people were no-shows or did a runner (with their generous relocation package, of course). This even happened with a couple of senior managers. I don't know what makes people do it.

I accepted a job in the summer term that I really wanted but couldn't actually start for personal reasons. I emailed the employer as early as possible in June to let them know the situation so they had as much time as I could give them to get themselves a new employee. They refused to accept my reasons and did nothing with that info until September, but that part was not my problem or my fault.

ifeelbeautifulbutunnoticed · 23/11/2022 21:14

ScrawlyEmbroidery · 23/11/2022 20:45

I've opened a brand new Nursery school - it's in a beachy, tourist destination and when I first advertised the role we had lots of amazing candidates as we were providing accommodation, great salary etc etc in a very unusual and attractive area.

I had a lady apply who was just amazing - extremely professional, very qualified, was going to relocate with her two children and was very enthusiastic about the role. Her interview went brilliantly, she passed all the checks and accepted the position. So I ended the job advert, and put some temps in place to cover her slightly longer than average notice period - expensive and time consuming (on our very limited budget) but worth it for someone so awesome.

We kept in regular contact - I went above and beyond with getting her accommodation set up perfectly, arranging pen pals in our area for her kids (it's a remote area), setting up subscriptions for her, arranging a specialist visa, getting activities that I knew her and her kids would like arranged in the area and making hampers for their arrival. Answered all her questions, helped her with all the travel and just tried to be as supportive as possible.

Day for her arrival comes..... and she doesn't show up.
I call and message, very worried (she's coming from overseas) and she tells me , in a super casual tone - oh, sorry. There was a problem with the plane. I'm going to try again tomorrow Hmm
Ok... she'd been very professional and cooperative till now so I put it down to stress travelling with two kids etc.
Next day - I had to chase her for info whilst scrabbling around to find cover as she was meant to have started. She eventually messages back with "XYZ.... will be travelling tomorrow"
Fine, okay. I kept my frustration to myself and didn't ask too many questions.
The next day again - no info and I have to gently chase her - oh, she's going to fly half way but the kids will have to take another flight (???) so probably won't be until the weekend.
Right, okay. I didn't want to make waves, so I said "okay, keep me updated" and manically tried to find cover for the absence, paying way over the odds to fly an ex employee in to cover us for the week so we had enough staff.

Weekend comes and goes, she is giving me no updates at all. I eventually message her out of desperation (I was trying not to harass her and scare her away) and she says she's booked on tomorrow's plane.
You guessed it - no show.
I message saying I'm sorry it's been so difficult, but I'm now having major staffing issues so please can she please give me an update - silence.

This was 2 weeks ago and I've not heard a thing from her, despite me politely chasing. In short - I think she's found another job and was stringing me along until it was finalised. She had every opportunity to at least tell me, and chose to string me along knowing I was having staffing issues.

But it's absolutely left me up shit creek - I now have no Nursery Manager, and I waited over 8 weeks for her - bodging together cover.
I've readvertised but the moment has been and gone, and I'm struggling for applicants (I do have a couple that I'm processing) where before I had loads.

She's reading messages but no responding - I background checked her, reference checked. I have all her documents, I paid for a visa, accommodation etc etc and she's just disappeared.

AIBU to think this is the shittiest shittiest thing to do to a tiny, new Nursery that you know has bent over backwards for you?

Oh what a bullet you dodged there!

bagpuss90 · 23/11/2022 21:17

Although it awful for you right now -I think long term you had a lucky escape

GrannyMilton · 23/11/2022 21:17

i think you've been scammed and this wasn't an unexpected no show by her at all.

i think you urgently need to report the no show re: visa, you don't want to end up with the home office investigating why your employee (who never actually worked even 1 day of her employment with you) went AWOL and you didn't report it.

GrannyMilton · 23/11/2022 21:20

www.gov.uk/uk-visa-sponsorship-employers/your-responsibilities

"Monitoring employees: report to UKVI if there is a problem, for example if your employee stops coming to work"

www.gov.uk/government/organisations/uk-visas-and-immigration

GrannyMilton · 23/11/2022 21:20

www.gov.uk/contact-ukvi-inside-outside-uk

Immigration Enforcement hotline
0300 123 7000

elephantonacid · 23/11/2022 21:22

My first thought is that she's probably used you for the visa. Sorry OP, very shitty.

jetadore · 23/11/2022 21:23

Highly unprofessional but not unusual these days to not turn up on first day at a new job, for various reasons. Not great risk management by you though, plenty that could have gone sideways with all the immigration, family, cover etc. involved. Don’t ‘bend over backwards’ for someone you hardly know.

ScrawlyEmbroidery · 23/11/2022 21:24

chickidychick · 23/11/2022 20:55

Does she still get to keep the visa?

No, it doesn't work like that here luckily. It's all assigned to my business

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Backtoblack1 · 23/11/2022 21:24

It doesn’t feel like it now but you have absolutely dodged a bullet x

TrainSet · 23/11/2022 21:25

Surely she signed a contract? Which she has now breached? You have legal standing here.