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to think this is the height of unprofessionalism?

170 replies

ScrawlyEmbroidery · 23/11/2022 20:45

I've opened a brand new Nursery school - it's in a beachy, tourist destination and when I first advertised the role we had lots of amazing candidates as we were providing accommodation, great salary etc etc in a very unusual and attractive area.

I had a lady apply who was just amazing - extremely professional, very qualified, was going to relocate with her two children and was very enthusiastic about the role. Her interview went brilliantly, she passed all the checks and accepted the position. So I ended the job advert, and put some temps in place to cover her slightly longer than average notice period - expensive and time consuming (on our very limited budget) but worth it for someone so awesome.

We kept in regular contact - I went above and beyond with getting her accommodation set up perfectly, arranging pen pals in our area for her kids (it's a remote area), setting up subscriptions for her, arranging a specialist visa, getting activities that I knew her and her kids would like arranged in the area and making hampers for their arrival. Answered all her questions, helped her with all the travel and just tried to be as supportive as possible.

Day for her arrival comes..... and she doesn't show up.
I call and message, very worried (she's coming from overseas) and she tells me , in a super casual tone - oh, sorry. There was a problem with the plane. I'm going to try again tomorrow Hmm
Ok... she'd been very professional and cooperative till now so I put it down to stress travelling with two kids etc.
Next day - I had to chase her for info whilst scrabbling around to find cover as she was meant to have started. She eventually messages back with "XYZ.... will be travelling tomorrow"
Fine, okay. I kept my frustration to myself and didn't ask too many questions.
The next day again - no info and I have to gently chase her - oh, she's going to fly half way but the kids will have to take another flight (???) so probably won't be until the weekend.
Right, okay. I didn't want to make waves, so I said "okay, keep me updated" and manically tried to find cover for the absence, paying way over the odds to fly an ex employee in to cover us for the week so we had enough staff.

Weekend comes and goes, she is giving me no updates at all. I eventually message her out of desperation (I was trying not to harass her and scare her away) and she says she's booked on tomorrow's plane.
You guessed it - no show.
I message saying I'm sorry it's been so difficult, but I'm now having major staffing issues so please can she please give me an update - silence.

This was 2 weeks ago and I've not heard a thing from her, despite me politely chasing. In short - I think she's found another job and was stringing me along until it was finalised. She had every opportunity to at least tell me, and chose to string me along knowing I was having staffing issues.

But it's absolutely left me up shit creek - I now have no Nursery Manager, and I waited over 8 weeks for her - bodging together cover.
I've readvertised but the moment has been and gone, and I'm struggling for applicants (I do have a couple that I'm processing) where before I had loads.

She's reading messages but no responding - I background checked her, reference checked. I have all her documents, I paid for a visa, accommodation etc etc and she's just disappeared.

AIBU to think this is the shittiest shittiest thing to do to a tiny, new Nursery that you know has bent over backwards for you?

OP posts:
HuntingHappiness · 23/11/2022 23:03

@ifeelbeautifulbutunnoticed well I noticed you because, just 15 posts in, you felt the need to quote the very lengthy op to add your very important 7 word comment to the thread 🙄

expat101 · 23/11/2022 23:08

Are you sure its actually her you have been communicating with? Some of your experiences are exactly what we go through with an employee.

Found out the other day some of ''his'' messages are written by his Partner checking his account, logging in as him. She even changed all of his passwords the other day because she doesn't want him to come to work. Unemployed and bored...

Is it also possible your one had relationship issues and moving to your location was her way of solving the difficulties? Did you get to speak to anyone in person who knew of her?

JCoverdale · 23/11/2022 23:12

OP you sound lovely. Why not say where your nursery is? Loads of lovely candidates could be reading! Best of luck. 💐

Fredshred · 23/11/2022 23:13

Ok, you sound very lovely. And maybe she’s used you if not scammed you. Or changed her mind and not had the professionalism to be open and just communicate. But to be honest, you don’t sound very professional yourself (giving you the benefit of the doubt, maybe because you’re a new business) but setting up her subscriptions. Arranging activities for her kids. Seriously, next time, dial this back. She’s your prospective employee, not your sister or best friend. Keep it purely employer employee and she pays out, you reimburse. If you are going to be an employer, take the sentiment out of it.

ecosystem · 24/11/2022 00:03

You sound like an amazing employer with a super job to offer someone who will return your generosity with loyalty and professionalism. This woman is not that person. I would definitely look into the Visa situation, that feels very uncomfortable. Wishing all the very best x PS. was the interview face to face?

caroleanboneparte · 24/11/2022 00:09

Report report report

Verbena17 · 24/11/2022 00:29

I’d say you had a narrow escape!

MintJulia · 24/11/2022 00:44

YANBU. Some people are unspeakably selfish and ignorant.

I had one recently, interviewed well, accepted the job, agreed a starting date, then didn't show up. I called worried and heard nothing, then had a text the next day saying she couldn't face the 6 mile drive along an A road 🙄and she's changed her mind.

Wasting months of effort and costing thousands in wasted time.

glitterfarts · 24/11/2022 06:25

I'm assuming you are in Dubai or somewhere.
Good luck with the search. Next time, offer all the perks on completion of a 3 month probation. That way you can set them up when they are already there.

ScrawlyEmbroidery · 24/11/2022 12:04

I can't say the location as its so niche - but it's not Dubai!

It's within the UK "ownership" - think Isles of Scilly type of thing.

OP posts:
carleycoo · 24/11/2022 18:02

To me it sounds like a situation where she has possibly applied for more than one job, prefers another one but has kept you as a back up until the preferred one has signed a contract. It's completely unfair on you but unfortunately there is nothing you can do....you sound like you went above and beyond and would be a fantastic employer....I'm sure you'll find someone else soon and at the end of the day...her loss

ReformedWaywardTeen · 24/11/2022 18:03

She's used you for a visa. I would contact the relevant authorities

Eatdrinkbemerry · 24/11/2022 18:08

@ScrawlyEmbroidery been there before. Like you when we first opened our nursery bent over backwards and people took advantage. Cannot even begin to tell you how many staff would leave and report us to ofsted with made up allegations. Ofsted would have to investigate. Find nothing wrong thankfully but the stress was crippling. I don’t understand how people can be so mean and get away with it.

I remember once I finally managed to get even with an employee when her new employer asked for a reference and I refused. Obviously could go into detail but I heard she didn’t get that job.

what goes around comes around and this person will get hers for leaving you in such a state.

hope you get someone soon. I know how hard it is to find good staff. But you will find someone as even though we’ve had bad experiences we have also had some absolute stars!

SeenAndNot · 24/11/2022 18:09

Have you reported this to border agency? You’ve totally been used for a visa. She probably landed and scarpered. We had it happen when I worked for a small residential training company. One guy arrived, we picked him up from the airport, got him checked in and he disappeared the next morning in the back of a very nice Mercedes.

NippyWoowoo · 24/11/2022 18:11

ScrawlyEmbroidery · 24/11/2022 12:04

I can't say the location as its so niche - but it's not Dubai!

It's within the UK "ownership" - think Isles of Scilly type of thing.

There can't be too many women who've signed up to work in a UK nursery with accommodation provided who flaked out last minute though. But ok.

antelopevalley · 24/11/2022 18:18

I think OP you are a bit naive. All the risk has been yours. Far better to say you will help with a visa and help with arranging accommodation, but they pay for it. If you want to make it super attractive you can offer a bonus after they stay for a year.

PumpkinQueens · 24/11/2022 18:22

Your mistake was failing to let her know how inappropriate she was being when she failed to show up on the first day as agreed. Anything after that was her playing you for a fool. Don’t give anyone else a reason to think you’re an idiot.

Ihearticecream · 24/11/2022 18:34

Sue her.

JustaPOV · 24/11/2022 18:37

I think you have been scammed… 😓

19lottie82 · 24/11/2022 18:41

It’s sad, but more common than you would think. I was trying to recruit staff and had plenty just not turn up and go radio silent, the day they were supposed to start.

GivenchyDahhling · 24/11/2022 18:47

NippyWoowoo · 24/11/2022 18:11

There can't be too many women who've signed up to work in a UK nursery with accommodation provided who flaked out last minute though. But ok.

I imagine OP isn’t that bothered about the woman recognising herself (I mean, if it was you it would be pretty bloody obvious from the post), more about the nursery and therefore the OP being identifiable if it’s the only one in a remote place…

Gandalfsthong · 24/11/2022 18:50

Agree with others, you’ve dodged a bullet, she sounds dreadful. So sorry you’ve had this stress though 💐

NannaKaren · 24/11/2022 18:54

She is awful but you shave been foolish.

romatheroamer · 24/11/2022 18:57

May be out of date on this but I thought that if you came to work you had to have a work permit as well which tied in with the visa and named a specific employer....

ChampagneLassie · 24/11/2022 19:22

ScrawlyEmbroidery · 24/11/2022 12:04

I can't say the location as its so niche - but it's not Dubai!

It's within the UK "ownership" - think Isles of Scilly type of thing.

If your post is truthful why be coy about location, this thread could be a great way to attract staff