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AIBU?

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to think this is the height of unprofessionalism?

170 replies

ScrawlyEmbroidery · 23/11/2022 20:45

I've opened a brand new Nursery school - it's in a beachy, tourist destination and when I first advertised the role we had lots of amazing candidates as we were providing accommodation, great salary etc etc in a very unusual and attractive area.

I had a lady apply who was just amazing - extremely professional, very qualified, was going to relocate with her two children and was very enthusiastic about the role. Her interview went brilliantly, she passed all the checks and accepted the position. So I ended the job advert, and put some temps in place to cover her slightly longer than average notice period - expensive and time consuming (on our very limited budget) but worth it for someone so awesome.

We kept in regular contact - I went above and beyond with getting her accommodation set up perfectly, arranging pen pals in our area for her kids (it's a remote area), setting up subscriptions for her, arranging a specialist visa, getting activities that I knew her and her kids would like arranged in the area and making hampers for their arrival. Answered all her questions, helped her with all the travel and just tried to be as supportive as possible.

Day for her arrival comes..... and she doesn't show up.
I call and message, very worried (she's coming from overseas) and she tells me , in a super casual tone - oh, sorry. There was a problem with the plane. I'm going to try again tomorrow Hmm
Ok... she'd been very professional and cooperative till now so I put it down to stress travelling with two kids etc.
Next day - I had to chase her for info whilst scrabbling around to find cover as she was meant to have started. She eventually messages back with "XYZ.... will be travelling tomorrow"
Fine, okay. I kept my frustration to myself and didn't ask too many questions.
The next day again - no info and I have to gently chase her - oh, she's going to fly half way but the kids will have to take another flight (???) so probably won't be until the weekend.
Right, okay. I didn't want to make waves, so I said "okay, keep me updated" and manically tried to find cover for the absence, paying way over the odds to fly an ex employee in to cover us for the week so we had enough staff.

Weekend comes and goes, she is giving me no updates at all. I eventually message her out of desperation (I was trying not to harass her and scare her away) and she says she's booked on tomorrow's plane.
You guessed it - no show.
I message saying I'm sorry it's been so difficult, but I'm now having major staffing issues so please can she please give me an update - silence.

This was 2 weeks ago and I've not heard a thing from her, despite me politely chasing. In short - I think she's found another job and was stringing me along until it was finalised. She had every opportunity to at least tell me, and chose to string me along knowing I was having staffing issues.

But it's absolutely left me up shit creek - I now have no Nursery Manager, and I waited over 8 weeks for her - bodging together cover.
I've readvertised but the moment has been and gone, and I'm struggling for applicants (I do have a couple that I'm processing) where before I had loads.

She's reading messages but no responding - I background checked her, reference checked. I have all her documents, I paid for a visa, accommodation etc etc and she's just disappeared.

AIBU to think this is the shittiest shittiest thing to do to a tiny, new Nursery that you know has bent over backwards for you?

OP posts:
Katapolts · 24/11/2022 21:08

Did you really expect someone to relocate from overseas, into a fairly low paid role, with two children, and start work the next day???

That sounds very optimistic 😕when was she going to unpack and apply for schools for her children?

Longsight2019 · 24/11/2022 21:13

I think you’ve imagined just how amazing she is because you want her to just slot in and do a great job for you. The reality is obviously very different.

I would suggest sending her a firm letter and text stating your outlay, risk, disappointment and frustration and that she isn’t welcome should she never make it over.

Freddosforall · 24/11/2022 21:19

I think you've been scammed, and regardless of the visa situation you should report it.

However, every successful person seems to have a dozen stories of things like this happening to them and how they learned from it - one day this might be the opening to your Ted talk.

Runover · 24/11/2022 21:24

OP you also need to be professional and not give so much to someone who hasn’t even started working for you. You seem like a very kind, considerate person but businesses need to pay the bills and you don’t give an employee way more than they are giving you. She really had no meaningful skin in the game, as is clear when she was a no show and YOU were the one holding the can.

It seems like there was no third party verification and you trusted her, which is exactly how fraudsters operate; they prey on the goodwill and trust of others,

Don’t let yourself be painted into this corner again where your whole business is reliant on a key employee.

Knitterandstitcher · 24/11/2022 21:34

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ButtonMoonLoon · 24/11/2022 21:44

I’m Level 4 early years trained, have a leadership qualification, and am very interested!
Could you please send me a message telling me a little bit more in terms of where you are?

Nobodyyou · 24/11/2022 21:48

It is definitely shitty. But I suspect you have dodged a bullet.

maryofthevirginkind · 24/11/2022 21:53

Can you go back to the person who was number 2 and offer them the job?

PickyEaters · 24/11/2022 21:54

She's a dick, but… whenever I recruited people for a position I would keep a shortlist of the two or three next-best candidates in case the first one didn't work out. Isn't this standard practice?

GettinHyggeWithIt · 24/11/2022 21:54

OP can you talk through why you needed to recruit someone in this role who required a visa? My understanding is that is for highly specialised roles and as has been demonstrated on this thread, we have very well qualified and experienced professionals in the UK. If they were paid a fair salary for a good opportunity as you describe I can’t imagine you would struggle to recruit.

You have been used for a visa but tbh I’m wondering how you managed to coordinate that anyway for a Nursery Manager?

GettinHyggeWithIt · 24/11/2022 22:06

In fact I’d call this whole thread bollocks. Have you acquired a Tier 2 visa for this role - is that what you’re saying?

PickyEaters · 24/11/2022 22:11

@GettinHyggeWithIt OP isn't in the UK

GettinHyggeWithIt · 24/11/2022 22:33

Fair enough but OP posted “It's within the UK "ownership" - think Isles of Scilly type of thing.”

That read to me as UK jurisdiction.

Amperoblue · 24/11/2022 22:41

Ok the other side of the coin is that some people find it really hard to disappoint others especially when they’ve been nice.
I went for a similar job I was well qualified for. Manager was lovely, spent ages getting all my checks and paperwork done despite getting called away every five minutes as obviously really short staffed. They clearly needed someone to work asap. Spent a day doing online training and started the next day. I absolutely hated the job. The reality was nothing like I imagined. However I was so embarrassed about all the trouble they had gone to I worked two more days before I sent an email saying it wouldn’t work out.

SylvieB74 · 24/11/2022 22:44

CatJumperTwat · 23/11/2022 20:51

Is this one of those threads where you pretend to be a character in a film?

If not... yeah she screwed you over but you were terribly naive to shell out all that money on visas and accommodation, and then meekly accept her lame excuses for over a week. Is there nobody local in this lovely destination that wants a job?

What are you on about

Anactor · 24/11/2022 22:56

GettinHyggeWithIt · 24/11/2022 22:33

Fair enough but OP posted “It's within the UK "ownership" - think Isles of Scilly type of thing.”

That read to me as UK jurisdiction.

Some of the islands require work visas for any non residents. We ‘own’ them, but we don’t ‘govern’ them.

GettinHyggeWithIt · 24/11/2022 22:59

Ok, apologies for the mistake OP.

mommydragonn · 24/11/2022 23:02

Intrigued to know where your nursery is... sounds like an exotic place. Congratulations on the opening of your nursery. Hope you find a great manager soon.

BaconChops · 24/11/2022 23:04

I feel for you trying to locate the best most professional people to fill a post. I’d feel very let down by the actions of your potential employee. I think it’s an awful learning curve that you won’t make again but truly think you’ve had a lucky escape and your business will thrive from it when you find the right candidate. I wish you well.

Meklk · 24/11/2022 23:10

Where is she from?

ShadowoftheFall · 24/11/2022 23:15

I don’t think your business is going to be successful unless you become a lot more canny and professional yourself

titchy · 24/11/2022 23:23

GettinHyggeWithIt · 24/11/2022 21:54

OP can you talk through why you needed to recruit someone in this role who required a visa? My understanding is that is for highly specialised roles and as has been demonstrated on this thread, we have very well qualified and experienced professionals in the UK. If they were paid a fair salary for a good opportunity as you describe I can’t imagine you would struggle to recruit.

You have been used for a visa but tbh I’m wondering how you managed to coordinate that anyway for a Nursery Manager?

Yes I wondered that, esp as a nursery worker isn't on the shortage occupation list.... Hmm

Ineke · 25/11/2022 00:19

Sounds like you have been stung, lesson learnt. Shame as there are genuine people who would have appreciated all your help and involvement. Hope you find a suitable and trustworthy replacement and don’t loose your faith in human nature. She will get her comeuppance one day.

TheWordHu88yIsMyPetHate · 25/11/2022 00:30

ScrawlyEmbroidery · 24/11/2022 12:04

I can't say the location as its so niche - but it's not Dubai!

It's within the UK "ownership" - think Isles of Scilly type of thing.

If it's in Gibraltar I'm there! Have no childcare qualifications but I'd love to live in Gibraltar haha.
Sounds like you're having a rubbish time op. I hope you can get the position filled ASAP. Good luck with your studying too.

Fanakerpan · 25/11/2022 00:48

Was it not possible to hire someone suitable locally? If not locally from elsewhere in UK with the same conditions as your original candidate?
Just asking.