England Taking The Knee

[JimmyKrankie]

Thoughts on the team taking the knee??

I'm in no way racist, I don't care what colour someone's skin is, I have and always will judge people as people, but this really gets to me and I don't agree with the whole knee thing.

What do you think?

I have no issue with making a stand against racism, just a shame they don't take a stand against misogyny and homophobia by refusing to play in Qatar en masse

Tbh anything that sticks it to the whole Qatari regime is fine with me,

The story has been available for like a decade now to anyone who wants to spend 5 seconds on Google and not just repeating nonsense though. Who would they be "subservient" to?? 🤔

I'm in no way racist, I don't care what colour someone's skin is, I have and always will judge people as people

Don't worry, they weren't doing it because they think you are racist, they're doing it against systemic racism.

Also to say " don't see colour i"s very naive

I understand why England are doing this, but I really wish they had chosen a different gesture than taking the knee to show their opposition to racism.

I’m a football fan & season ticket holder, and I know that taking the knee is an incredibly divisive gesture which is perceived by many ordinary fans as politicised preaching or empty, pointless virtue signalling. The act of kneeling is also perceived as one of submission, not of strength, which isn’t exactly what you want to see from your team before an important game.

I found that very moving.

They aren't asking your permission. They are men, at work. This is the teams decision and frankly the state the world is in I salute them for it.

This is exactly how I feel. It’s virtue signalling en masse. A far bigger gesture would have been not to go to the World Cup.

I have no issue with them taking the knee however I feel it's incredibly hypocritical that this show of solidarity is deemed acceptable (as it should be) yet any support shown for LGBTQ teammates would be met with fines and disciplinary action.

I do hope the focus this match will be on the Iranian teams show of protest during their anthem though.

I support it and think it's a very important, visual image to see the team taking the knee. It sends a powerful message in my opinion and also raises awareness of racism. There's so much racism in sport and black players are repeatedly subjected to monkey chants, having bananas thrown at them etc. This is a way to take a stand against all that 5hit . I feel really proud when I see it.
I don't understand why anyone has a problem with it. The people who do are people like Laurence Fox who say inane things like "Racism doesn't exist".

I'd have supported England boycotting the World Cup but this wasn't a decision the players could have made.

This.

Why would I say I'm racist if I'm not? Just because I don't like taking the knee has no reflection. I have a very multi cultural family - I'm in no way racist

You might be a bit though. It's hard to tell.

That's not quite correct. He knelt as a protest but protested in a way to still show respect to the flag/anthem (and indirectly veterans) which is quite an American thing.

I think it's both appropriative and performative when done by those who do not culturally have the same reference for their anthem/flag.

I don't object to sports teams (or others) doing this but I can understand why those who think sport should be non-political object.

To me, it's just virtue signalling.

Virtue signaling bollox, call what you like I don't really care.

There paid obscene amounts to kick a ball around a field, if there so concerned they could do alot more but taking the knee is a hollow gesture. Do what your paid to do and leave the political views out of it and do it in your own time if they care enough, tip most won't.

Absolutely. FIFA disgust me.

So they take the knee to show solidarity with coloured people (totally disagree with racism but taking the knee is the wrong way to raise the issue). Had intentions, but backed out, of the OneLove armband for solidarity with the LGBTIA movement.

But they are playing against Iran who are known for brutality against women. How are they marking, or planning to mark & raise this issue?

We should have boycotted it as soon as Qatar were announced as hosts.

@WaveyHair I don’t know what the England team could do to protest against the Iranian regime but the Iranian players did protest and we should be thankful that the World Cup gave them this opportunity and the fact they were playing against a major team like England means that their protest is more likely to be seen.

"Coloured people"?

Iran booed their own anthem today and the players all refused to sing it. Good for them.

it's cheap, lazy, virtual signalling hypocrisy.
If they really cared about human rights, they'd have all worn the rainbow arm band, been carded and done the same next time and had a match ban and then gone home.

Taking the knee is the only thing they can do. Harry was not allowed to wear the rainbow arm band. I see it as a protest for all, but that’s just me.