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England Taking The Knee

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JimmyKrankie · 21/11/2022 14:05

Thoughts on the team taking the knee??

I'm in no way racist, I don't care what colour someone's skin is, I have and always will judge people as people, but this really gets to me and I don't agree with the whole knee thing.

What do you think?

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PurpleButterflyWings · 21/11/2022 16:29

YANBU @JimmyKrankie .

I disagree with it too, because the original idea of it came about after what happened with George Floyd. It was for white people to beg forgiveness, and apologise, for every bad thing that white people have ever done to non-white people.

I have never done anything bad, or said anything bad, to any non-white person, and I have never treated them any differently to a white person - because of the colour of their skin.

So I will NEVER 'take the knee,' because I have never done anything to apologise for. I will not beg forgiveness for something I haven't done.

phishy · 21/11/2022 16:29

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Yeah, a typo. Sure love Grin

Your type always confuse Qatar and Equator.

maddy68 · 21/11/2022 16:30

AriettyHomily · 21/11/2022 14:38

Virtue signalling. Doesn't achieve anything.

Not true. We are discussing it right now as a direct action of them doing it

TodayInahurry · 21/11/2022 16:31

Agree it is virtue signalling and achieves nothing. I loathe football so never watch it but I don’t think all these things should be involved with sporting events, after all it is just a load of multi millionaires chasing a ball

Toffoo · 21/11/2022 16:31

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CentaureaCyanus · 21/11/2022 16:31

Has taking the knee had any positive effect? Could anyone share any evidence of a reduction in racist incidents in football because of it?

powershowerforanhour · 21/11/2022 16:31

"suppose if they were kneeling to the people who died building the stadium, it might-just-be ok"
Yeah. Taking the knee is grand and all, it's just a bit weird they're doing it in stadia that hundreds or thousands of young immigrants died under modern day slavery conditions to build. I know employment rules changed a bit to make things less bad, but probably only to take the worst of the bad look off it. Those immigrants were considered other, cheap and disposable.

Softplayhooray · 21/11/2022 16:31

JimmyKrankie · 21/11/2022 14:05

Thoughts on the team taking the knee??

I'm in no way racist, I don't care what colour someone's skin is, I have and always will judge people as people, but this really gets to me and I don't agree with the whole knee thing.

What do you think?

'I don't agree with the whole knee thing' is the same as saying 'I don't support protests against racism', but thinking you sound less racist phrasing it that way. The alternative is 'I don't give a shit about racism'. Yeah, of course YABU.

People are beaten up, denied jobs, etc, because of the colour of the skin but you can't stomach some sportspeople kneeling for a bit at a sports game?

Toffoo · 21/11/2022 16:32

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neverbeenskiing · 21/11/2022 16:32

So I will NEVER 'take the knee,' because I have never done anything to apologise for. I will not beg forgiveness for something I haven't done.

Has anyone asked you to take the knee?

phishy · 21/11/2022 16:34

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So in your little world anti-racist = misogynist/homophobe.

That's pretty racist.

Softplayhooray · 21/11/2022 16:35

CentaureaCyanus · 21/11/2022 16:31

Has taking the knee had any positive effect? Could anyone share any evidence of a reduction in racist incidents in football because of it?

It's had a big impact, there are loads of news stories and articles on the internet like this one that explain how it's become a movement and powerful uniting symbol of resistance:
www.cnn.com/2021/10/28/politics/the-kaepernick-effect-race-deconstructed-newsletter/index.html

Lndnmummy · 21/11/2022 16:35

Why is it that unity against racism is hypocritical unless it is reinforced by LBQT+ rights, womens rights etc? No one EVER says to anyone on a pride march "what about racism"? For Environmentalists, LGBQ supporters it is ENOUGH for them to be feeling strongly about the ONE issue. Why is it not the same for anti racist supporters? Football teams have been having racism for decades, so the players are demonstrating a zero tolerance against their team mates, they are showing unity against racism. Why is that not enough. Why are they hypocritical if they are not championing ANOTHER cause AS WELL.
funny that

Toffoo · 21/11/2022 16:36

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Hobbi · 21/11/2022 16:37

CentaureaCyanus · 21/11/2022 16:31

Has taking the knee had any positive effect? Could anyone share any evidence of a reduction in racist incidents in football because of it?

It's highlighted the racists among us. That's quite useful.

Lndnmummy · 21/11/2022 16:37

PurpleButterflyWings · 21/11/2022 16:29

YANBU @JimmyKrankie .

I disagree with it too, because the original idea of it came about after what happened with George Floyd. It was for white people to beg forgiveness, and apologise, for every bad thing that white people have ever done to non-white people.

I have never done anything bad, or said anything bad, to any non-white person, and I have never treated them any differently to a white person - because of the colour of their skin.

So I will NEVER 'take the knee,' because I have never done anything to apologise for. I will not beg forgiveness for something I haven't done.

😂

KnittedCardi · 21/11/2022 16:38

This particular "taking of the knee" is not against racism though is it? It's the alternative to not being allowed to wear the armbands. So, now its not specifically about anti-racism, but about any kind of "ism" or "phobia". Not sure how that plays out though, does that not dilute the original intent?

I have to say, the one thing I have noticed, is how no-one is talking about the absence of womens rights, which affects more of the population.

phishy · 21/11/2022 16:39

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You're trying to derail a thread about racism into a thread about misogyny and yet I'm the one with nothing upstairs. OK Grin

I would rather mistype than condone misogyny and homophobia, love.

Ok, misogynist Wink

Hobbi · 21/11/2022 16:39

LondonWolf · 21/11/2022 16:27

Taking the knee comes from BLM doesn't it? Those "trained Marxists" who mostly seem to be getting done for fraud and buying big houses these days. I think it's a load of performative nonsense and it makes me cringe, though I know those doing it probably think they're doing something valuable,

No it doesn't 'come from BLM.' But saying it does gives the racists some cover.

Toffoo · 21/11/2022 16:39

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 21/11/2022 16:41

Cuppasoupmonster · 21/11/2022 16:01

Yep. It’s like email pronouns. It becomes a social contagion that means you can make assumptions about people who dont do it rather than people that do, and that is what makes me uncomfortable.

Absolutely this. It's all part of the same, bigger, picture. Once the pieces have slotted together, once you've seen these separate, discrete social justice movements as part of one big holistic 'ism' - one without nuance and which shrieks 'either you're with us or you're against us, and if you're against us you're a bigot' - you start to see how insidious, sinister and thoroughly coercive the whole thing has become.

In some shades of the picture, it's turned into a game of linguistic contortionism, in which you find yourself picking your way around a metaphorical minefield to avoid an accidental misstep like a cat on hot bricks. 'Woman' has become a dirty word, female anatomy like a dirty secret. Any of that misogynistic rhetoric sound familiar?, yet if you object to it, you're accused of 'policing' gender and sexuality, and in this way are tantamount to a racist. Excluding gender on the basis of biology, this line of reasoning goes, is like excluding black women on account of their skin colour. And this kind of 'reasoning' happens on a regular basis.

That's why it's starting to look like a bigger picture. That's why I've stopped wearing the poppy, which I used to wear on a voluntary basis but is now looking like an instrument of coercion with people being shamed for not wearing it. That isn't what this image was meant to stand for; the ironic about face as to what former generations fought for has been completely lost in this melee.

History has shown us many times how this kind of rhetoric tends to end, and it's not in a utopia. There's no mistaking it: this is not just about racism.

'Under His Eye'.

Creameggs223 · 21/11/2022 16:41

Raising awareness about racism bugs you, why is that?

phishy · 21/11/2022 16:42

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And yet you immediately tried to shut down my opinion by accusing of me trying to make it a fact. Why is that?

beastlyslumber · 21/11/2022 16:42

I mean, isn't it happening in Qatar? In a stadium built by slaves?

Seems like a load of hypocritical and virtue-signalling bullshit to me.

Terven · 21/11/2022 16:42

It has no meaning. They choose to come and play in a stadium that is built on the blood of brown people. They are the racist. If they really meant it, they wouldn’t have come there.