England Taking The Knee

[JimmyKrankie]

Thoughts on the team taking the knee??

I'm in no way racist, I don't care what colour someone's skin is, I have and always will judge people as people, but this really gets to me and I don't agree with the whole knee thing.

What do you think?

I've given no organizations/movements more thorough scrutiny than those currently stampeding over the rights and protection of women - mostly spearheaded from underground by MRAs. Those are the movements hellbent on removing women's spaces and physical protection, leaving them vulnerable to violence and sexual assault, or taking salacious pleasure from their vulnerability, or trying to return 'woman' to its former status as a dirty word. I've put my money where my mouth is, and have on numerous occasions actively crowd-funded courageous women who have put their heads over the parapet to fight this injustice. As to men going abroad to be sexual menaces, that's exactly the kind of cause I'd be interested in supporting.

As I've said several times upthread, the censure relating to issues such as this is broadscale, part of a much larger picture, and emanating from many different directions. It isn't about #BLM per se.

As to men going abroad to be sexual menaces, that's exactly the kind of cause I'd be interested in supporting.

I've phrased this really badly, and the meaning has come out as the opposite to what I intended. I meant that what I support is to weed out this kind of behaviour, to resist it and put a stop to it.

It's worth reminding ourselves that behind every "I'm not racist but" is a complete loser without anything remotely resembling a useful or interesting life.

Maybe using disability would be useful in demonstrating why 'I don't see colour/All lives matter' damages people?

If you don't see that I'm using a stick, have an exhausted expression and am struggling to carry a giant box of paperwork, all you see is the paperwork not where it should be. All you see is me miserable or off sick again. You don't see that you've slammed the door in my face three times this week and your 'just bring the papers to me by 2pm' is painful, potentially dangerous and is telling me I have no business working for you. And then you say 'oh, she was rubbish, I won't hire somebody like her again'.

But the manager who sees the disability, holds the door open, suggests emailing rather than carrying physical files, gets to see me doing a good job. And I don't do my back in.

If somebody sees me being issued with a special chair because a standard one causes pain and kicks off that they should get a thousand pound chair because it's not fair that The Fat and Lazy One - oops, their true feelings slipped out there - the person with a disability gets a more expensive chair than they do - that's bleating that all lives matter.

Sorry is this meant to be satire or something?

@MassiveSaladWithChristmasTrimmings Don't come out with shite like White Privilege because that is a lazy, sloppy and -many time-s plain untrue slogan to shut people down who ask why black lives matter more than white
Again, for those at the back still with their fingers in their ears, No.One. Is .Saying. That.

Juniperising
Maybe just maybe people like you are the issue

Yes - "people like me"🙄ARE your issue, thats for sure.

You asked "Why would I say I'm racist if I'm not"

A stupid question, which is why I laughed then gave you the exact answer required.

"People like me" see thru your bs we're used to nonsensical racists

Well said!
Came to this thread too late & I just don’t understand why some people aren’t getting it. So depressing.

Can’t believe I was deleted for correcting a racist’s spelling. Hilariously depressing.

Qatar should NOT be hosting this event period. At the point it was discovered bribery and corruption was involved the award should have been withdrawn.

To wear the One love armband was the right call but they didn't follow through on this, frighted about a yellow card or being prevented from playing. Meanwhile on the streets of Qatar some poor loving same sex person may be beaten to death because they don't conform to Qatar's religious homophobic ideology. Hate to say it but the Iran team and even the Germans have shown more backbone than our team and as for David Beckham and his obscene salary for supporting this, he should donate the lot to a gay rights charity. Shame on him.

As for the knee issue, sorry but whilst some may disagree, as i see it, this represents the stateside George Floyd incident involving white police officer kneeling on a black criminal. Hence the kneeling motion. It is a symbol of the Black Lives Matter movement from the USA. In my mind this is directly related to a symbolic gesture representing Black Racism and represents ONLY that one issue. To try and say it represents other things is really a folly and stretching it a bit.

The issues in Qatar are primarily about the appalling persecution of LBGTQ+ individuals or anyone that doesn't conform with their barbaric ideology PLUS their scant regard for Health and safety resulting in the deaths of thousands of workers and that's before we consider persecution of other nationalities or anyone that might want a beer in 30-degree heat.

The England team taking the knee was tokensim. Whilst highlighting Racism is important it totally ignored the bigger issue in Qatar. A message needs to be sent to Qatar that their policy is NOT acceptable.

It's the same problem as was highlighted with the National Trust volunteers and the rainbow lanyards/badges.

Once you have a gesture or a badge/armband it sort of stops being optional and you are judged for not toeing the line. I refuse to wear any kind of badge or slogan and I would feel like a complete sheep taking the knee. No-one has ever asked me to.

I'm not a racist. I'm as horrified as the next person about racial/sexual discrimination.

I just don't like "you'd better do this or we'll know you're not 'one of us''. And I just hate being told to conform in this way. If others want to do it - fine - but people who don't shouldn't be judged, and that's the problem.

I just don't like "you'd better do this or we'll know you're not 'one of us''. And I just hate being told to conform in this way. If others want to do it - fine - but people who don't shouldn't be judged, and that's the problem

The thing is you’ve subtly twisted what’s actually going on when England take the knee. No one is asking anyone to actually do anything as far as I know. The crowd aren’t expected to take the knee are they?

The players choose to take the knee for themselves. It lasts a few seconds in the moments before kickoff. The crowd can either applaud, stay silent, or boo.

People choose to wear poppies, or sing the national anthem. A personal choice. If you don’t do these things, no problem. But if you actively call for these things to be stopped because you personally don’t agree with them, or opine that they’re pointless gestures and should be stopped, then that surely takes away others right to show such support if they want.

And then the irony of people bleating on about freedom of speech, when essentially they’re trying to shut down other people’s right to a simple, harmless, quick show of support. Those people only believe in their own freedom of speech it seems to me.

It’s not often we see someone so blatantly outing themselves as racist.

Keep going @MassiveSaladWithChristmasTrimmings

Well said.

So @CulturePigeon how is footballers voluntarily taking the knee 'the same thing' as you feeling pressured into things personally?

Who does them doing that negatively affect? The crowd aren't asked to join in.

@FloydPepper

It’s not often we see someone so blatantly outing themselves as racist.

Incredible isn't it?

Have to wonder if they don't realise or simply don't care.

The latter, by the sound of things.