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To ask why you didn't want children?

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somuchtolearnabout · 21/11/2022 14:05

Granted, this is a very goady thread title. For clarity - I'm a mother. Always wanted to be, for as long as I can remember I knew that children were a part of my future and can't imagine a life where I didn't have kids. Admittedly therefore, I struggle to understand why someone wouldn't want them. Respectfully, can those who chose not to have children explain what it was about having them that you didn't want?

My best friend (she's been my best friend since primary school, was my MOH etc) doesn't want children. Claims she never has. Says she likes sleeping too much, can't be bothered, likes the luxury of being able to spend her money on herself etc. Her fiancé feels the same, doesn't like kids, doesn't want them. She just had a pregnancy scare and admitted that if she had fallen pregnant she would keep it. Which makes me wonder - does she really not want them? Surely if you REALLY didn't want kids, if you fell pregnant you'd terminate?

I'm just curious what the true legitimate reasons are for those who didn't want kids. I just find it really hard to believe (I know I'll get torn to shreds for that, closemindedness isn't an attractive trait it's just the one thing I really struggle to understand)

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TheLeadbetterLife · 22/11/2022 13:24

The idea that having children is the ultimate act of maturity and responsibility is hilarious.

No doubt it should be, but to paraphrase Mr Darcy in Pride and Prejudice, "every savage can fuck".

All you're doing is satisfying a basic biological urge. Birds do it, bees do it, even educationally sub-standard fleas do it.

It looks horrendously boring and yet immensely stressful, so I don't blame anyone for awarding themselves a Proper Grown-Up medal for doing it, but that's not going to fool me into giving it a go.

bringincrazyback · 22/11/2022 13:28

Snowisfallinghere · 22/11/2022 10:34

I don't tell my childfree friends this, but when people deliberately decide never to have kids, I secretly find them a bit immature, like they can't handle the sense of responsibility that comes with parenthood. You only truly experience adulthood when you have children.

So taking care of other relatives in need...
…supporting elderly parents day to day, through dementia and general infirmity, having them dependent on one for virtually everything (just like a child, in fact)…
…advocating for a dying parent in their last months/weeks/days of life when there's no one else to do so...
…managing all this on top of a full-time job just like many parents have to, possibly with long-term chronic health conditions of one’s own in the mix…

…doesn’t count as adulthood, does it not?

Good to know.

kc431 · 22/11/2022 13:29

Having someone spunk inside of you doesn’t magically make you mature. Some of the most immature people I know are parents, people who can’t change a lightbulb or can barely sit the right way round on the toilet without asking their own parents how to do it.

Itsbiasedhere · 22/11/2022 13:30

Having children is one of the most damaging things for the planet. The CO2 costs alone outweigh being vegan recycling everything not taking a foreign holiday and not running a car combined.

KimberleyClark · 22/11/2022 13:33

Blueeyedgirl21 · 22/11/2022 13:23

@RampantIvy probably the worst two examples of child free people to give

mother Teresa was an arse and Teresa May a barely coherent embarrassment

Neither of which had anything to do with them being childfree.

Liz Truss has children btw.

other examples of childfree women

Kamala Harris
Rosa Parkes
Germaine Greer
Frida Kahlo
Jane Austen
Louisa May Alcott
Florence Nightingale

Fairydoors · 22/11/2022 13:34

Completely understand people not wanting kids because they value their freedom and independence.

I do then find it confusing when those same people have a dog , which basically cancels any independence, freedom or spontaneity you may have in a way a child never does.

IMissVino · 22/11/2022 13:35

BomboChipolata · 22/11/2022 13:23

The lesson for me here is that internet discussions make it easy to escalate arguments and see the worst in people. I still think I made a pretty uncontroversial point, although I can see how it could be interpreted negatively.

I was interested to hear why some people do or don’t want children (I have a pretty complex history myself) and I’ve never judged anyone for not wanting children.

And yet, you keep coming back and tagging me. Going high, indeed. I’m still waiting for you to show me where in our exchange you apologised if you upset anyone, by the way.

Telling people that their stance is ‘unbelievable’ is not ‘pretty uncontroversial’. It’s ignorant and offensive. You have had unanimously negative feedback on it and multiple people have explained at length why it’s ignorant and offensive. If you still ‘think you made a pretty uncontroversial point’ then the problem is you. From the way you’re behaving on this thread, I suspect that’s often the case.

TheyreOnlyNoodlesMichael · 22/11/2022 13:44

I do then find it confusing when those same people have a dog , which basically cancels any independence, freedom or spontaneity you may have in a way a child never does

You think kids are the same as a dog?

and they say that the parents are the grown-up ones....Confused

Daftasahoover · 22/11/2022 13:47

RampantIvy · 22/11/2022 12:35

I think “because I don’t want too” is a good enough reason and no one should have to explain their reasonings!

Exactly.

I was ambivalent about having children, and when it didn't happen I just thought "Oh well"

Then I had DD at 41 and it turned my world upside down.

I still think that child free adults don't need to justify why they are child free.

Very broody women just don't get it and people who don't want children don't understand what it is like to feel broody (I include myself in the second category, although I didn't not want children, but not being able to get pregnant wasn't a tragedy for me).

Actually, I do understand some women have an overwhelmingly feeling of wanting a child. I get that, absolutely. Never happened to me.

whumpthereitis · 22/11/2022 13:48

BomboChipolata · 22/11/2022 13:23

The lesson for me here is that internet discussions make it easy to escalate arguments and see the worst in people. I still think I made a pretty uncontroversial point, although I can see how it could be interpreted negatively.

I was interested to hear why some people do or don’t want children (I have a pretty complex history myself) and I’ve never judged anyone for not wanting children.

The problem is your opening line was ‘I don’t believe you’. To a group of people that routinely get disbelieved, patronised, and dismissed, as if we’re not actually authorities on our own lives, thoughts and feelings.

That isn’t a statement that invites discussion, it’s a statement that says you’ve already made your mind up as to what to think, that you haven’t listened to what people have already said, and don’t intend to.

theemptycradlewillrock · 22/11/2022 13:50

Warning, long self-indulgent sob story alert.

I sometimes have said I'd not want to be a parent for the same reasons I'd not want to be responsible for bomb disposal. So much can go wrong and I'd not be good enough at it.

I believe I would be a terrible parent. My Father thought he'd be a great one, and he wasn't. He tried to live his life through me, after an abusive childhood which really messed him up. My Mother is a career orientated woman and I was alone with him a lot, and constantly walking on eggshells and feeling nothing but contempt from him as I wasn't what he expected (and he much wanted a son).

I have struggled with relationships, work, friendships, because of the way he brought me up to believe I was nothing. I am better as I get older but I will never be fully okay. It would be terribly unfair to have a child and risk projecting that onto them and/or turning out to be like my Father (and I am very similar to him in lots of ways).

I am petrified of childbirth and have been since I knew what it was(less so a C section but even with a planned C section one can go into labour early, or the spinal fails, or something goes wrong, I am still petrified of that just to
lesser extent).

I currently have (perhaps irreversible) damage to my pelvic floor and vaginal tissue due to sex. I imagine what childbirth would have done to me. I struggle to feel pleasure at all and my partner is scared of trying. I think childbirth would have had a long-lasting affect on me physically as well as emotionally and mentally.

Pregnancy also does not appeal. I wouldn't trust that my body would get it right.

I am a lesbian. Had I got into a relationship with a woman who wanted to do the whole childbirth thing, I may have gone for it (although the procedures for such also petrify me anyway)! And of course I'd have given it my best shot, if I had a partner I trusted to be a great parent and help me be one too.

I am not maternal at all. I am uncomfortable in the company of children. There are young children in my partner's family who are glorified, spoilt-I was 'Told off' recently for 'daring' to leave my G&T on the table while I went to the loo because one of them had knocked it over after putting his toy car in it and was crying.

'Sally you can't leave drinks about with the kids' -how about tell the entitled brat to not mess about with an adults drink?

I didn't like kids even when I was one myself. I remember how mean they were, and that their priorities were so so different to mine (much of the time, definitely the majority). I far preferred being alone and remember hiding when friends called for me. I once left my bag with some friends for whatever reason and they went through it and took the P out of my stuff, I'd have not dreamed of doing that, and the games they played that I just didn't 'get'. The meanness-I always joke that I was never a child. I did not enjoy being one and do not look back with rose-tinted spectacles either. I couldn't wait to be an adult and I enjoy adulthood far more.

I still don't know what to 'do' with children. I have a lovely neighbour with a very cute toddler whom I have offered to babysit if they want to go out. I've no qualms about doing it for them,flattered that they trust me and I'd definitely be careful with her and I am sure I'd manage to keep her alive entertained, but it is not natural for me. Children also seem to sense this from me and it makes me paranoid.

When I say she's cute, I generally do not find babies and children cute like most adults seem to. I can see she's a pretty little thing but I find animals far more appealing.

I never wanted children and was sure of this from a young age. Of course I was told I'd change my mind, repeatedly. I haven't (I am 40).

The world is changing and I have considered having my eggs frozen just in case.

Women in my family go through the menopause late, It's possible that one day I will get this change of heart and be desperate to reproduce (I am acutely aware of how scientifically rather than emotionally I express things about this!) of course there is, just as many other anomalies are possible.

I do not find anything about children appealing however. Nappies, poo, sick, snot, destruction. Schooling (I would DEFINITELY home school if I was a parent as I do not want to be doing school runs and the school system is so so toxic. Having to ferry them about, having to not really exist because the child's life is more important by default. Teenagers and how they're not only vilified (which I find terribly unfair on them) but also so selfish-I could not cope with some of the crap I read about on here)!

I have far more money than a lot of my peers and not because I have a successful career but because I am very privileged. This is not a financial thing for me at all and I find it bizarre that some posters have suggested the decision of being/not being a parent is related to that. Of course It's a factor but some people with 10 children live hand to mouth and some with one or less are among the richest in the world.

Incidentally, my parents didn't have more than me because they 'couldn't afford it'. They could of coure, and I am not convinced that if they had an accident my mum would have aborted, if they truly wanted one I feel they'd have had one.

Every relationship I've had has been toxic and/or abusive in some form. I'd have been very irresponsible to procreate in any of them. My current partner wants children but being a very masculine female she'd never dream of carrying (I know some do, but her personally).

The counter argument is, if someone dumped a baby on my lap now that somehow was mine, I'd manage and I'd do my best to be the best parent I could be. I am an only child and my genetic line (unfortunately?) is brilliant. My family are quite 'old' and have no genetic diseases, conditions, illnesses, anything. As my Father puts it 'from good stock'. I find it a shame that I am who I am as I am the end of the line. I also worry about being isolated in old age and feeling that nobody is here to carry on my line, and I will probably age and die surrounded by strangers. That is NOT a reason to procreate.

And then yes, as others have mentioned the world is a complete mess. What are people doing my over-producing more of us?

This all sounds very sad, I am aware and a lot of it is down to my Father.

I have been involved with children. My ex had four of them ranging in age from late twenties to early teens when I met her. The eldest was just 8 years my junior. All had been removed from her at ages from about 4-5 to teen. She was in touch only with the eldest when I met and later two of the others. I took her teenage daughter out, she lived with us for a bit, I loved her to death, I would say like my own but how would I know? I spent a lot of money on her, took her to her hobbies, helped her, was involved with the children's home she was in, became friends with the staff and was generally largely involved. I knew/know the other childs' foster parents and we have a very mutually respectful friendship.

For this reason I will add, I know the care system perhaps more than many do on here and it is abysmal. Some wonderful individuals within it of course-but the way some people glorify the love of parents is laughable.

BomboChipolata · 22/11/2022 13:50

First, I said sorry. Please search. I’ll say it again. I’m sorry if I upset anyone.

Second, I don’t think my point has been unanimously objected. I see a group has taken a negative interpretation and you’ve decided to attack me. that doesn’t make me the problem.

Lastly, I admit that aggressive language isn’t helpful but you’re not in a mood to change that’s

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 22/11/2022 13:52

What you should never do is eat 1/4 baklava, and then tell your baklava-obsessed wife that you don't actually like them very much. And that's also the case with children.

TheLeadbetterLife · 22/11/2022 13:52

Fairydoors · 22/11/2022 13:34

Completely understand people not wanting kids because they value their freedom and independence.

I do then find it confusing when those same people have a dog , which basically cancels any independence, freedom or spontaneity you may have in a way a child never does.

Various false assumptions.

Not all childfree people value "freedom and independence" above all else.

"Freedom and independence" are nebulous, subjective terms anyway. Freedom and independence from what?

Not all childfree people have dogs, so your claim that all the same people who make this claim have dogs is suspect.

Childed people sometimes get very upset when people claim that having a dog is just like having a child, when it's clearly not.

I like being at home with my animals, I don't especially like travelling, not all childfree people are career-obsessed jet setters. In any case, when I do go away, I can get a house sitter. I don't have to go on child-friendly holidays or take everything and the kitchen sink on a plane with me.

Also, as I said upthread, my animals don't demand trainers, phones or university educations, so in what way are they more restrictive than a child?

SenoritaNaturista · 22/11/2022 13:55

Genuinely - could not afford to have children, literally that was the actual stark choice.

Late husband and I both had to make stark sacrifices, enforced living apart for prolonged periods, sometimes years, for work, constraints that others now might consider unacceptable.

Perhaps later it might have been possible, but by then it was too late.

Also the late 1960’s school biology classes and sex education programme at that time, (in our school at any rate) was very much doom and gloom, reminiscent of the early AIDS tombstone tv advert, i.e. sex is dangerous and if you get pregnant your life is doomed. The indoctrination there played a part too.

Having worked and contributed hard for 50 full years, recently having had to us personal savings of 5k to purchase some additional qualifying state pension years, having lost 6 years of expected pension between age 60 and 66….it makes hard reading to see some of the other different posts on here about younger people, their current hardships and questioning whether we deserve our pensions.

theemptycradlewillrock · 22/11/2022 13:58

I do have a dog I love! And I hand reared her, involving a lot of similar things to a baby (sleepless nights, bottles, bum wiping, poo, sick, mess).

But as others have said my dog is happy with my company. She doesn't have complicated friendships for me to navigate. She can be left alone for several hours and she's only 6. Her largest vets bills will not be a patch on university fees. If I accidentally emotionally hurt her it will not fuck her up for life. I control where she is and what she's doing, she isn;t going to become involved with drugs or crime and cost me my sanity. It isn't a good comparison.

BomboChipolata · 22/11/2022 13:59

whumpthereitis · 22/11/2022 13:48

The problem is your opening line was ‘I don’t believe you’. To a group of people that routinely get disbelieved, patronised, and dismissed, as if we’re not actually authorities on our own lives, thoughts and feelings.

That isn’t a statement that invites discussion, it’s a statement that says you’ve already made your mind up as to what to think, that you haven’t listened to what people have already said, and don’t intend to.

Thanks. That’s a good way of putting it and I can see why, if you interpreted my post like that, it would seem offensive. I’m sorry if that’s the case. It really wasn’t what I wanted to say and it wasn’t what I meant.

IMissVino · 22/11/2022 14:10

BomboChipolata · 22/11/2022 13:50

First, I said sorry. Please search. I’ll say it again. I’m sorry if I upset anyone.

Second, I don’t think my point has been unanimously objected. I see a group has taken a negative interpretation and you’ve decided to attack me. that doesn’t make me the problem.

Lastly, I admit that aggressive language isn’t helpful but you’re not in a mood to change that’s

At no point in your conversations with me have you said sorry. Not once. And you’re fully aware of this. You might have said it to someone else, but that’s nothing to do with me or anything you’ve said to me.

Not a single person has agreed with you and at least a dozen people have disagreed with you pretty vociferously. If you don’t acknowledge that, yes, you are the problem.

Claiming ‘aggression’ when faced with rebuttals is a lazy, ignorant tactic employed by those without rejoinder. You’re getting what you give.

whumpthereitis · 22/11/2022 14:10

BomboChipolata · 22/11/2022 13:59

Thanks. That’s a good way of putting it and I can see why, if you interpreted my post like that, it would seem offensive. I’m sorry if that’s the case. It really wasn’t what I wanted to say and it wasn’t what I meant.

I hear you. I’ve done it myself before, phrased things in a way that’s meant they’ve been interpreted to mean something I didn’t actually intend. It’s always worse when it happens in regards to a topic feelings run high about too.

personally I think it’s great when people make choices that make them happy, whether that’s having kids or not having kids. There’s no universal right way to live, or key to happiness, and it isn’t (and shouldn’t be) a competition, and no one needs to try and prove their chosen way of living is somehow objectively superior to someone else’s. Each to their own, live and let live and all that.

IMissVino · 22/11/2022 14:12

BomboChipolata · 22/11/2022 13:59

Thanks. That’s a good way of putting it and I can see why, if you interpreted my post like that, it would seem offensive. I’m sorry if that’s the case. It really wasn’t what I wanted to say and it wasn’t what I meant.

‘I’m sorry if you interpreted it that way’.

Dear. Blessed. Lord. 😂

Tsort · 22/11/2022 14:15

whumpthereitis · 22/11/2022 14:10

I hear you. I’ve done it myself before, phrased things in a way that’s meant they’ve been interpreted to mean something I didn’t actually intend. It’s always worse when it happens in regards to a topic feelings run high about too.

personally I think it’s great when people make choices that make them happy, whether that’s having kids or not having kids. There’s no universal right way to live, or key to happiness, and it isn’t (and shouldn’t be) a competition, and no one needs to try and prove their chosen way of living is somehow objectively superior to someone else’s. Each to their own, live and let live and all that.

I think you should read this person’s comments. She’s back pedalling HARD. If it had been just one post, fair enough. But she repeated and clarified her ‘it’s unbelievable’ stance many many times over several posts. Numerous people told her it was offensive and why, but she kept going.

It’s now not worked out and she wants someone to pat her on the head and tell her she’s not awful. After having insulted numerous posters.

WhyAreYouStillTalking · 22/11/2022 14:41

I wasn't going to say anything, but... 😱😂

Wankytramphands · 22/11/2022 14:44

In response to anyone who quoted me. I couldn't care less if you choose to have or not have kids it is your choice what I am saying as a woman of colour and religion not that this matters is that if you say you don't actually like children tha yes I am afraid you are judgemental and prejudiced same as any other sexist/racist but if you choose not to have children you are not this you are only prejudiced if you say you don't like children just as I would be if I say I don't like whites/any other type of human.

WhyAreYouStillTalking · 22/11/2022 14:44

I have 2 children that I love dearly, and would not now want to even imgaine life without them. BUT, in all honesty, if I could go back in time having all the information I have now, I would absolutely categorically NOT have children again.

BomboChipolata · 22/11/2022 14:55

whumpthereitis · 22/11/2022 14:10

I hear you. I’ve done it myself before, phrased things in a way that’s meant they’ve been interpreted to mean something I didn’t actually intend. It’s always worse when it happens in regards to a topic feelings run high about too.

personally I think it’s great when people make choices that make them happy, whether that’s having kids or not having kids. There’s no universal right way to live, or key to happiness, and it isn’t (and shouldn’t be) a competition, and no one needs to try and prove their chosen way of living is somehow objectively superior to someone else’s. Each to their own, live and let live and all that.

Agree, thanks

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